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blimpyboy
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Obama. Lets get the USA back on track!
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Stuart Kirkham
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: |
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McCain because he is the underdog.
Stuart. 
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martin smith
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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McCain because he is the underdog.
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he's the underdog because he's an idiot.
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Stuart Kirkham
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McCain is certainly an improvement on George W Bush though due to Bush's mismanagement and failure the odds are very much against him winning.
Stuart.
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martin smith
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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McCain is certainly an improvement on George W Bush though due to Bush's mismanagement and failure the odds are very much against him winning.
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jade goody would be an improvement on george bush. i think the phrase is damning with faint praise....
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HowardD
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama = Dead man walking |
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Billy Boy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama = Dead man walking |
Now THAT is a cool trick.
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JONNO
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Is this the same election that seems to have been going on for the last 15 years or do they keep starting again?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Billy Boy wrote: |
| HowardD wrote: |
| Obama = Dead man walking |
Now THAT is a cool trick. |
If Obama wins, he won't live to see Easter 2009. |
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Billy Boy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| HowardD wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| HowardD wrote: |
| Obama = Dead man walking |
Now THAT is a cool trick. |
If Obama wins, he won't live to see Easter 2009. |
So he's not dead? I'm confused now. 
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gswarbrick
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| Obama. Just a shame that he's more of a religious nutter than Bush, let alone McCain... |
rubbish, pound to a penny he's an atheist who just knows what he has to say to be elected. when pressed about his specific beliefs he don't half go into vague mode. |
Did you see the Simon Schama programme about the role of religion in American life/politics? He was pretty unambiguous in that.
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martin smith
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| gswarbrick wrote: |
| martin smith wrote: |
| gswarbrick wrote: |
| Obama. Just a shame that he's more of a religious nutter than Bush, let alone McCain... |
rubbish, pound to a penny he's an atheist who just knows what he has to say to be elected. when pressed about his specific beliefs he don't half go into vague mode. |
Did you see the Simon Schama programme about the role of religion in American life/politics? He was pretty unambiguous in that. |
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| I was not raised in a particularly religious household, as undoubtedly many in the audience were. My father, who returned to Kenya when I was just two, was born Muslim but as an adult became an atheist. My mother, whose parents were non-practicing Baptists and Methodists, was probably one of the most spiritual and kindest people I've ever known, but grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion herself. As a consequence, so did I. |
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"For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.
Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.
And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.
This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all." |
sounds like a sceptic who knows not to irritate the majority of his voters to me.
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JONNO
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| martin smith wrote: |
| gswarbrick wrote: |
| martin smith wrote: |
| gswarbrick wrote: |
| Obama. Just a shame that he's more of a religious nutter than Bush, let alone McCain... |
rubbish, pound to a penny he's an atheist who just knows what he has to say to be elected. when pressed about his specific beliefs he don't half go into vague mode. |
Did you see the Simon Schama programme about the role of religion in American life/politics? He was pretty unambiguous in that. |
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| I was not raised in a particularly religious household, as undoubtedly many in the audience were. My father, who returned to Kenya when I was just two, was born Muslim but as an adult became an atheist. My mother, whose parents were non-practicing Baptists and Methodists, was probably one of the most spiritual and kindest people I've ever known, but grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion herself. As a consequence, so did I. |
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"For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.
Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.
And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.
This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all." |
sounds like a sceptic who knows not to irritate the majority of his voters to me. |
Sounds like he's got a press corps of about 50 scribes writing and analysing every utterance before it's made to me.
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gswarbrick
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sounds like a sceptic who knows not to irritate the majority of his voters to me. |
I hope you're right.
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david123
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| Obama. Just a shame that he's more of a religious nutter than Bush, let alone McCain... |
rubbish, pound to a penny he's an atheist who just knows what he has to say to be elected. when pressed about his specific beliefs he don't half go into vague mode. |
Did you see the Simon Schama programme about the role of religion in American life/politics? He was pretty unambiguous in that. |
Did you see Schama making a complete prizck of himself on election night around 3 am or so on David Dim will bes election programme, don't know if he was piszsed or what but his childish behaviour was interesting to compare to his historical anaysis on his BBC programmes. At one point ThimbleWeed asked him how he managed to do history when he couldn't even wait an hour for the result, Gore Vidal turned up, probably proportionately piszsed, aswell and he was hilarious, Dimbo cut him off after five minutes.
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