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Terry Tibbs
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On a "positive" note, the 7w4t will have quite a bit of spare cash, no enter fees and traveling costs to pay and I have read that e.p,0 is very, very expensive.
He must have a great job, e.p,0 is circa £ 10 K a year, so i have read !?!?!?!?
Could use the cash for cosmetic surgery and a name change at depoll, soon be racing in France?  |
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irishdave
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This is a crazy story!!
This dude has been floating around amateur sport for the last 10 years or so cycling and rowing while juicing up !!
It's really quite sad that, for him to be content, he had to risk his life (possibly self injecting EPO, its side effects etc.)
no sympathy whatsoever given his attitude after being stung.... Je should be laughed at as punishment
I don't see problems with the system: it comes down to the fact that it's amateur sport and so juicing up is less likely to occur...
UKADA or BC???? have an anonymous number that rats  can call don't they??
Rat more out so we can laugh at them!!
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colinpeerman
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On a "positive" note, the 7w4t will have quite a bit of spare cash, no enter fees and traveling costs to pay and I have read that e.p,0 is very, very expensive.
He must have a great job, e.p,0 is circa £ 10 K a year, so i have read !?!?!?!?
Could use the cash for cosmetic surgery and a name change at depoll, soon be racing in France? |
i think you need to do some research on t'interweb. more like £250 for a months worth (depending upon your usage). I know people who stuff more than that a week up their nose and they aren't minted by any means.
in amateur racing, the risk/reward ratio is skewed as there is so litle testing. you don't need expensive schemes like the pros do to avoid detection. frankly, i'm surprised more people aren't doing it ... 
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kingkongsfinger
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irishdave, off topic but just see this as your signature.
'Tourists and locals are watching from sidewalk cafes. Non-racers. The emptiness of those lives shocks me.'
Tim Krabbe.
Best book EVER, proper mental and true. Dont know anything about him but he MUST have been a good cyclist.
Carry on.
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Terry Tibbs
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On a "positive" note, the 7w4t will have quite a bit of spare cash, no enter fees and traveling costs to pay and I have read that e.p,0 is very, very expensive.
He must have a great job, e.p,0 is circa £ 10 K a year, so i have read !?!?!?!?
Could use the cash for cosmetic surgery and a name change at depoll, soon be racing in France? |
i think you need to do some research on t'interweb. more like £250 for a months worth (depending upon your usage). I know people who stuff more than that a week up their nose and they aren't minted by any means.
in amateur racing, the risk/reward ratio is skewed as there is so litle testing. you don't need expensive schemes like the pros do to avoid detection. frankly, i'm surprised more people aren't doing it ... |
Thought it was more like 2 grand a month? Links? Happy to be proved wrong. |
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LocalBoy
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People will always cheat; however the most annoying aspect of this for me is that he is a joe average bike rider who got caught by the doping checks in cycling. Yet as I understand it a British record holder and top performer at indoor rowing and a handy triathelete.
However the sport tainted with his cheating is cycling; don't other sports do any testing then? |
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Mr.B
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| However the sport tainted with his cheating is cycling; don't other sports do any testing then? |
I assume this is a rhetorical question since we all know the answer... |
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Voodoo
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People will always cheat; however the most annoying aspect of this for me is that he is a joe average bike rider who got caught by the doping checks in cycling. Yet as I understand it a British record holder and top performer at indoor rowing and a handy triathelete.
However the sport tainted with his cheating is cycling; don't other sports do any testing then? |
I wouldn't say tainted I'd say it's a victory for cycling this dickhead has been caught
Sad for the indoor rowering lot. He holds records in their sport.
Was in a break with Staite in one of richiej1979's races thinking about it a few years ago. He was in ALL the moves and won.
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Chrissylaa
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On a more positive note...
Thank god he never pulled a GB jersey on.
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colinpeerman
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People will always cheat; however the most annoying aspect of this for me is that he is a joe average bike rider who got caught by the doping checks in cycling. Yet as I understand it a British record holder and top performer at indoor rowing and a handy triathelete.
However the sport tainted with his cheating is cycling; don't other sports do any testing then? |
I wouldn't say tainted I'd say it's a victory for cycling this dickhead has been caught
Sad for the indoor rowering lot. He holds records in their sport.
Was in a break with Staite in one of richiej1979's races thinking about it a few years ago. He was in ALL the moves and won. |
does not compute. the only 'breaks' you get in, are ones that 'attack off the back' ergo, dan could not have won and been in one of your 'attacks'
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Voodoo
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| Voodoo wrote: |
| LocalBoy wrote: |
People will always cheat; however the most annoying aspect of this for me is that he is a joe average bike rider who got caught by the doping checks in cycling. Yet as I understand it a British record holder and top performer at indoor rowing and a handy triathelete.
However the sport tainted with his cheating is cycling; don't other sports do any testing then? |
I wouldn't say tainted I'd say it's a victory for cycling this dickhead has been caught
Sad for the indoor rowering lot. He holds records in their sport.
Was in a break with Staite in one of richiej1979's races thinking about it a few years ago. He was in ALL the moves and won. |
does not compute. the only 'breaks' you get in, are ones that 'attack off the back' ergo, dan could not have won and been in one of your 'attacks' |
Hey I do get in the break a few times you know! I just don't finish in them
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ali_clay
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It disgusts me knowing this was going on so long, people knew, others are I suspect still involved. Everyone has a responsibility in getting rid of these people.
I hope those who know of other riders taking speak to the authorities.
There is no loyalty to be had with someone who cheats.
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LocalBoy
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People will always cheat; however the most annoying aspect of this for me is that he is a joe average bike rider who got caught by the doping checks in cycling. Yet as I understand it a British record holder and top performer at indoor rowing and a handy triathelete.
However the sport tainted with his cheating is cycling; don't other sports do any testing then? |
I wouldn't say tainted I'd say it's a victory for cycling this dickhead has been caught
Sad for the indoor rowering lot. He holds records in their sport.
Was in a break with Staite in one of richiej1979's races thinking about it a few years ago. He was in ALL the moves and won. |
I agree with that however the rest of the world seems to believe that cycling is the only sports with a serious doping problem. When in fact it is one of the few sports that has a serious testing regime.
Was he doped to win at cycling or doped to set records in rowing? |
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Fashion Man 1980
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People will always cheat; however the most annoying aspect of this for me is that he is a joe average bike rider who got caught by the doping checks in cycling. Yet as I understand it a British record holder and top performer at indoor rowing and a handy triathelete.
However the sport tainted with his cheating is cycling; don't other sports do any testing then? |
I wouldn't say tainted I'd say it's a victory for cycling this dickhead has been caught
Sad for the indoor rowering lot. He holds records in their sport.
Was in a break with Staite in one of richiej1979's races thinking about it a few years ago. He was in ALL the moves and won. |
I agree with that however the rest of the world seems to believe that cycling is the only sports with a serious doping problem. When in fact it is one of the few sports that has a serious testing regime.
Was he doped to win at cycling or doped to set records in rowing? |
If you look at the UKAD site (see the link from the Cycling Weekly article) there are an awful lot of cases from the two Rugby disciplines
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| kingkongsfinger wrote: |
On a "positive" note, the 7w4t will have quite a bit of spare cash, no enter fees and traveling costs to pay and I have read that e.p,0 is very, very expensive.
He must have a great job, e.p,0 is circa £ 10 K a year, so i have read !?!?!?!?
Could use the cash for cosmetic surgery and a name change at depoll, soon be racing in France? |
i think you need to do some research on t'interweb. more like £250 for a months worth (depending upon your usage). I know people who stuff more than that a week up their nose and they aren't minted by any means.
in amateur racing, the risk/reward ratio is skewed as there is so litle testing. you don't need expensive schemes like the pros do to avoid detection. frankly, i'm surprised more people aren't doing it ... |
Thought it was more like 2 grand a month? Links? Happy to be proved wrong. |
Personally I could buy 50ug for £177.65 with my account from the below
How much faster would 50ug make me go
http://www.abdserotec.com/catalog/datasheet-OBT1538.html |
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Terry Tibbs
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| Terry Tibbs wrote: |
| colinpeerman wrote: |
| kingkongsfinger wrote: |
On a "positive" note, the 7w4t will have quite a bit of spare cash, no enter fees and traveling costs to pay and I have read that e.p,0 is very, very expensive.
He must have a great job, e.p,0 is circa £ 10 K a year, so i have read !?!?!?!?
Could use the cash for cosmetic surgery and a name change at depoll, soon be racing in France? |
i think you need to do some research on t'interweb. more like £250 for a months worth (depending upon your usage). I know people who stuff more than that a week up their nose and they aren't minted by any means.
in amateur racing, the risk/reward ratio is skewed as there is so litle testing. you don't need expensive schemes like the pros do to avoid detection. frankly, i'm surprised more people aren't doing it ... |
Thought it was more like 2 grand a month? Links? Happy to be proved wrong. |
Personally I could buy 50ug for £177.65 with my account from the below
How much faster would 50ug make me go
http://www.abdserotec.com/catalog/datasheet-OBT1538.html |
Somewhere in here it says that 20ug three times a week is a LOW dosage
http://www.sportsmed.info/articles/epo.html |
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AndyB
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This kind of comment annoys me.
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| Bob Howden, British Cycling’s Chair of Anti-Doping Commission, said in a statement: “We are naturally disappointed that a cyclist has been found guilty of doping, however, this case shows that the comprehensive testing programme which operates at all levels of the sport is delivering results." |
He was on the juice for ages and you only tested him based on a tip off and even then you allowed him to ride in a race before the test. Yeah, comprehensive my ar53.
Look British Cycling, there are a few of us in the sport that get the word up front before you announce it. THis case is one of those. for gods sake, speed the whole process up AND like other sports organisations, announce it from the very off-set. IF they are found not guilty then a "non-positive" announcement can be followed up, but you know what - holding on to this along with UKAD for such a long time, your members have lost a little bit more faith in you! |
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MikeC
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| Look British Cycling, there are a few of us in the sport that get the word up front before you announce it. |
And hopefully those people keep their mouths shut until it's official.
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| for gods sake, speed the whole process up AND like other sports organisations, announce it from the very off-set. IF they are found not guilty then a "non-positive" announcement can be followed up, but you know what - holding on to this along with UKAD for such a long time, your members have lost a little bit more faith in you! |
Disagree. Yes, speed the process up but don't go announcing anything until it is certain. Mud sticks and if someone is wrongly accused then they are forever wrongly tainted. |
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| AND like other sports organisations, announce it from the very off-set. IF they are found not guilty then a "non-positive" announcement can be followed up |
Sorry, but I disagree with that. I would not be impressed if my name came into the public domain following a test and then it turned out negative.
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This kind of comment annoys me.
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| Bob Howden, British Cycling’s Chair of Anti-Doping Commission, said in a statement: “We are naturally disappointed that a cyclist has been found guilty of doping, however, this case shows that the comprehensive testing programme which operates at all levels of the sport is delivering results." |
He was on the juice for ages and you only tested him based on a tip off and even then you allowed him to ride in a race before the test. Yeah, comprehensive my ar53.
Look British Cycling, there are a few of us in the sport that get the word up front before you announce it. THis case is one of those. for gods sake, speed the whole process up AND like other sports organisations, announce it from the very off-set. IF they are found not guilty then a "non-positive" announcement can be followed up, but you know what - holding on to this along with UKAD for such a long time, your members have lost a little bit more faith in you! |
It annoys me that people like you do not allow due process to conclude before spliing the beans. The entire process from testing to hearing and announcement of the results is enirely down to UKAD. BC have to follow their lead. They have acted correctly in all aspects of this. That other sports announce things early/earlier does NOT make it the correct or better way.
But I do agree that the length of time to do the process is too long - this could have been all done and settled before the end of May.
Paul
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