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Hans Datdodishes
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| You will of course be calling for road racing to be banned too. |
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| vegetable wrote: |
| You will of course be calling for road racing to be banned too. |
Not really the time to be debating either recent fatality
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| You will of course be calling for road racing to be banned too. |
Road races don't have hundreds of individual riders in extremely dangerous situations on dual carriageways with traffic entering and leaving at 70mph+.
Running/riding a race on one of the busiest dual carriageways in the country on a holiday Friday???
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The initial reports (on the TT forum but now deleted) suggest he rode into the back of a stationary caravan that had stopped following a blowout.
And while I have every sympathy for his family and friends at this time, ultimately if that is the cause of the accident I have far more sympathy for those in the car.
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| Road races don't have hundreds of individual riders in extremely dangerous situations on dual carriageways with traffic entering and leaving at 70mph+ |
No they have riders crossing the white line on open roads. Much more dangerous. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee wrote: |
The initial reports (on the TT forum but now deleted) suggest he rode into the back of a stationary caravan that had stopped following a blowout.
And while I have every sympathy for his family and friends at this time, ultimately if that is the cause of the accident I have far more sympathy for those in the car. |
They probably deleted it to stop people from making crass comments.
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| Road races don't have hundreds of individual riders in extremely dangerous situations on dual carriageways with traffic entering and leaving at 70mph+ |
No they have riders crossing the white line on open roads. Much more dangerous. |
Road racing does all it can to separate riders from traffic.
Time trialling goes out of its way to find the busiest roads to ride on.
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John McC
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Nothing like a good old knee jerk reaction. Let's wait to hear what the fact are first, before we condemn any particular cycling discipline.
One report on facebook from someone who was there said:
apparently this was a freak accident with a caravan tyre blowing out, causing it to go out of control & hit the competitor
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Whatever happened and your views may be, the simple fact is that a bike rider went out to ride a race and do their best, and lost their life competing in the race. Which is simply the saddest thing. RIP.
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Testing doesn't need banning, it just needs its governing body to look at relative course safety. This course is on an A road that is a motorway in all but name, vehicles are passing at way above the natioal speed limit having previously been on an identical looking road where motorway regulations apply, Riders themselves need to start making informed decisions on where they ride, a 'PB' is a number on a piece of paper, please, stop becoming statistics on a piece of paper for the sake of your families. My thoughts go out to family,friends and all involved in dealing with this tragic incident.
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| Testing doesn't need banning, it just needs its governing body to look at relative course safety. This course is on an A road that is a motorway in all but name, vehicles are passing at way above the natioal speed limit having previously been on an identical looking road where motorway regulations apply, Riders themselves need to start making informed decisions on where they ride, a 'PB' is a number on a piece of paper, please, stop becoming statistics on a piece of paper for the sake of your families. My thoughts go out to family,friends and all involved in dealing with this tragic incident. |
The amount of traffic on some of these roads is pretty high.
Most of the testers are only interested in times though and not the beating of their rivals.
Spocos/quieter roads is the only answer to minimise danger to riders.
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Spocos/quieter roads is the only answer to minimise danger to riders. |
Not quite as simple as that, as many B road type courses present their own set of dangers. Each course needs to be assessed on it's own merits without sweeping generalisations being used to determine whether a course is for for purpose or not.
In the case of Friday's tragedy, it has been alleged that the victim rode into the back of a caravan, with presumably, his head down. If this is true, that really has little to do with the nature of the course, but more the behaviour of the rider.
But we most not jump to conclusions, and await more detail.
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Kill the BBAR. No-one cares, or even knows, what time they do in a road race.
Lorry assisted times are just stupid vanity projects anyway. It's not real, any more than giving everyone a shot of epo before particular events would be real. You aren't actually going that fast under your own power.
It's lunacy and delusion. I've driven along that road, and didn't particularly enjoy the experience. The thought of riding a bike along it is crazy, regardless of what happened here.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| John McC wrote: |
In the case of Friday's tragedy, it has been alleged that the victim rode into the back of a caravan, with presumably, his head down. If this is true, that really has little to do with the nature of the course, but more the behaviour of the rider.
But we most not jump to conclusions, and await more detail. |
The police have confirmed this is the case. You'd struggle to ride much of a spoco with your head down, so the safety point isn't entirely invalid. The nature of the course allows the riders to do this, just as it allows irresponsible drivers to text and do paperwork in their cars on the same roads
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| John McC wrote: |
In the case of Friday's tragedy, it has been alleged that the victim rode into the back of a caravan, with presumably, his head down. If this is true, that really has little to do with the nature of the course, but more the behaviour of the rider.
But we most not jump to conclusions, and await more detail. |
The police have confirmed this is the case. You'd struggle to ride much of a spoco with your head down, so the safety point isn't entirely invalid. The nature of the course allows the riders to do this, just as it allows irresponsible drivers to text and do paperwork in their cars on the same roads |
Martin, if you think "head down" riding doesn't happen on roads without a central reservation, you are mistaken.
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Naturally, and idiots still use their phones on single carriageway roads. But less, as it isn't as easy to do it without hitting something or driving/riding off the road. Greater concentration is required, hazards are expected and the speed differential is lower.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Naturally, and idiots still use their phones on single carriageway roads. But less, as it isn't as easy to do it without hitting something or driving/riding off the road. Greater concentration is required, hazards are expected and the speed differential is lower. |
You can't reason with testers Martin. Save your breath
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I know it is the 'right' of individuals to race on whatever course they like, but it's time that CTT took a hold of this and stopped clubs from holding races on roads which are motorways in all but name.
Of course, this won't happen, so we will all be here within the next year or so after the next TT fatality going over the same argument. |
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