Should the EUG have a website?

[JohnC]

I await anything you do for the cause with bated breath.

[Billy Boy]

[Hans Datdodishes]

[chrisd]

why has my post been deleted?
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[JohnC]

[George Gilbert]

The longer this saga goes on, the more I'm reminded of the similarity between the EUG and the Bush Administration's foreign policy.

- Believes that heavy handed tactics work better than quiet diplomacy.
- Convinced that what ever they decide is the best solution.
- Sure that everyone who isn't for them is against them.
- Have a seige mentality; paranoid that everyone is out to get them.
- Seeks to undermine anyone who questions them.
- Ignores any advice given, and just does what they wanted to do in the first place.

...and that the rest of the world can see that, whilst their stated intentions might be worthy, they are utterly misguided in their actions.

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For the sake of the possibility of getting better facilities at Eastway. Please, step back and take an objective look at what your posts here are doing. There are many people here who are genuinely trying to help; step out of your bubble and listen to what is being said - we are not against your aims; we are trying to help you achieve them.

[ldncycle]

George - who you talking about? EUG or BC? :)
Probably applies to everyone.

give it a rest people?

[dockeca]

Plurien spins 9does it quite well), but the good bits of his work are being undone by the JohnC postings. A single spokeperson would be best, and then the antagonism may stop. the EUG=good, BC=bad stuff plianly does not work. Statement "we are the people who do cycle sport in London", may not sit well with organisers at Hillingdon, Crystal palace, Surrey league, and plenty of others. If you claim to represent London organisers, sign them up or retract.
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[JohnC]

Listen - don't you worry about John C. I have read the Dock/dishes/george postings and come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what one explains you will come back with same tone and limited content.

I just don't think you matter much in the great scheme of things, so have cast off some restraint. So what - look at my posts over the past year or so - I could have said a lot before.

have a good day.

JC

[Billy Boy]

[JohnC]

[mho]

what is to be achieved on here

[ldncycle]

by a resounding margin!

Any volunteers?

[Plurien]

to those who think that heavy-handedness is not helpful, I'd agree with you, but....

I've not long come back from a meeting which had been arranged for me by Tony Woodcock with the ODA's planning decisions team - they're the ones that are independent of the ODA. Of course I'd forgotten all about it until someone who went in yesterday called to tip me off on a couple of things.

The idea of the meeting was a 'timetabled drop-in' to meet with a planning officer and to go through aspects of the application with someone as a guiding hand on areas where objections could be usefully made or points clarified.
So it's a one on one. No Tony - it's sunny and he's out on a ride, swine!

-Nope, there are two ODA people and two of their planners, plus the planning officer. They want to make the meeting a full-on 'now then EUG, what's the issues you've got with our plans?' type of thing.
Away goes the pad and out comes a load of notes which fotunately I had with me.

And you think EUG is heavy-handed?!

I did come away with some more detail and some more possibilities.
They left, they said, with a very clear picture of our issues and some points to really start thinking about.

5pm and the director of external relations for the ODA's on the voicemail again, wanting to make proper meetings and smooth things over. - EUG members will know what I mean.

This is the way it's going to be done. It's the only one which will work and don't forget the fine words about relocation, interim and legacy so far add up to a bunch of facilities which EUG found for events - Dunton, Hainault - and a set of existing facilities which all have been happy to throw London's taxpayers' money at. No relocation - no contractor, no work on the site, no lease actually signed etc etc

[Plurien]

Well, I guess that's case proven for the EUG since I note KJs been on since I posted the above and she hasn't posted against.

You really have to sit and wonder if there is any different way in which the campaign had to;-
1 - be a campaign in order to
2 - escalate to higher authority to make any progress
3 - oppose the tactics being employed since day 1, 2003
4 - watch every move made by the developer
5 - which always began with 'prejudicial' from its partners
6 - always retrieve the situation of a quasi-agreement already made by the partners to support the developer
7 - secure the right to consultation
8 - assert the legitimate right to openness and public accountablity in favour of the community doing cycle sport in Inner E London
9 - Redress the focus of planning effort onto the needs of the community
10 - Proceed with a finally agreed formula and plan for schemes which meet the needs of the community
11- Continue to ensure the schemes are actually delivered

I'll leave it to VRers to wonder where the list goes from there. I'm off to Hillingdon now, which will be a delightful journey with the cup final on at Wembley.

[stanno]

Totally agree. Sometimes when things go badly wrong for an interest that you care deeply about, and those that are supposed to represent your interests don't appear to be doing so, you have to do what's necessary to get your case over.

I see this latest development as a vindication for the EUG campaign, so often belittled by a few at VR (for whatever reason - I can't really imagine why). Let's all hope for a positive outcome.