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Rich Hill
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 Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: Was Indurain doped... |
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What do you think?
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| I say yes, everyone of his era was on something IMHO. |
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Rich Hill
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Gary K wrote: |
| I say yes, everyone of his era was on something IMHO. |
Hmm I am afraid that I kinda go along with it.
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If he was doing anything, then it only leveled the field as at the time there was an awful lot of allegations about what was going on. The bottom line is 28 resting pulse, 8 litre+ lungs, and high VO2. Probably a high threshold of pain. Which equates to a winner if all else is even.
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Yet he couldn't beat an doped up Riis  Makes me think that maybe he wasn't (at least that year).
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Rich Hill
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| dockeca wrote: |
| If he was doing anything, then it only leveled the field as at the time there was an awful lot of allegations about what was going on. The bottom line is 28 resting pulse, 8 litre+ lungs, and high VO2. Probably a high threshold of pain. Which equates to a winner if all else is even. |
Dock - you kinda justified it to me!
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| Gary K wrote: |
| I say yes, everyone of his era was on something IMHO. |
I don't believe Boardman was - he continues to go up in my estimations.
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Rich Hill
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Was Indurain doped... |
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He did test +ve one year.
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For Salbutamol IIRC - but some people are getting Certs for that and the jury is out about it PE qualities
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| Neither of those options - he knew exactly what he was getting. IMO. |
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I don't care.
Simple as that.
He may have been, he may have not, for me the important thing is that he did not get caught, and there were no suspicious rumours about him circulating at the time. That is enough for me. |
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I don't care.
Simple as that.
He may have been, he may have not, for me the important thing is that he did not get caught, and there were no suspicious rumours about him circulating at the time. That is enough for me. |
thats seems to be a particularly comfortable fence you're sat on there. Isn't that attitude why our sport has to some extent got such a bad name?
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I don't care.
thats seems to be a particularly comfortable fence you're sat on there. Isn't that attitude why our sport has to some extent got such a bad name? |
I think that JR is like that because he obviously hold MI on very high esteem.
Was just thinking of him on the stage to Hautacam... what an animal.
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Can Salbutamol act as a masking agent if it is not a proven PE or does our beloved sport attract an unusually high preponderance of asthmatics?
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| Can Salbutamol act as a masking agent if it is not a proven PE or does our beloved sport attract an unusually high preponderance of asthmatics? |
Well, we shift more air through our lungs than anyone else. And travelling around encounter a bigger range of allergens than most people. I'd imagine the combination makes us more disposed to asthmatical problems.
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| Can Salbutamol act as a masking agent if it is not a proven PE or does our beloved sport attract an unusually high preponderance of asthmatics? |
Well, we shift more air through our lungs than anyone else. And travelling around encounter a bigger range of allergens than most people. I'd imagine the combination makes us more disposed to asthmatical problems. |
Swimmers? Rowers? Runners? Cross Country Skiers? Are they all on it aswell?
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| dockeca wrote: |
| If he was doing anything, then it only leveled the field as at the time there was an awful lot of allegations about what was going on. The bottom line is 28 resting pulse, 8 litre+ lungs, and high VO2. Probably a high threshold of pain. Which equates to a winner if all else is even. |
But didn't Webb, Yates, and various others in their prime have similar numbers? Numbers don't make a champion?
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| In small doses salbutamol has no performance enhancing qualities except for people with asthma. Sport tends to induce asthma because of the need to breathe heavily for long periods of time hence the inflammation of the airways. In large doses salbutamol has proven anabolic properties being similar to anabolic steroids but the doses are very large. Because of this it may be a masking agent in some people for some anabolic substances. |
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| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
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| If he was doing anything, then it only leveled the field as at the time there was an awful lot of allegations about what was going on. The bottom line is 28 resting pulse, 8 litre+ lungs, and high VO2. Probably a high threshold of pain. Which equates to a winner if all else is even. |
But didn't Webb, Yates, and various others in their prime have similar numbers? Numbers don't make a champion? |
Resting HR and lung volume are of virtually no interest whatsoever. A high VO2max is important, as it's the rate limiting mechanism in endurance exercise. I have no idea on Webb, and while it's highly likely that Yates had/has a high VO2max it wouldn't be in the same league as Indurain.
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