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karlos
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Iain Bonsall
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Lee
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ricco 'Banned for Life'? |
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| karlos wrote: |
should he be the first to be 'Banned for Life' ?
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Why, what has he done that is so much worse than anyoine else that is caught? And at least he's had the ball to fess up unlike most of the snivelling  .
Funny we all applaud Millar for doing the same and despite him not being a patch on his former self since his comeback stil believe he only took it when he said. However Ricco must be lying and should be banned for life???
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Iain Bonsall
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Ricco 'Banned for Life'? |
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| Lee wrote: |
| karlos wrote: |
should he be the first to be 'Banned for Life' ?
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Why, what has he done that is so much worse than anyoine else that is caught? And at least he's had the ball to fess up unlike most of the snivelling .
Funny we all applaud Millar for doing the same and despite him not being a patch on his former self since his comeback stil believe he only took it when he said. However Ricco must be lying and should be banned for life??? |
I don't, shouldn't have done it in the first bloody place 
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Eeyore
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Ricco 'Banned for Life'? |
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| Lee wrote: |
| karlos wrote: |
should he be the first to be 'Banned for Life' ?
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Why, what has he done that is so much worse than anyoine else that is caught? And at least he's had the ball to fess up unlike most of the snivelling .
Funny we all applaud Millar for doing the same and despite him not being a patch on his former self since his comeback stil believe he only took it when he said. However Ricco must be lying and should be banned for life??? |
Because now is the time to draw the line. The old guard is going now. No second chances. They all know the score. |
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karlos
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| well we had all that pre-tour talk of hitting any dopers hard and that it wouldn't be tolerated. also more and more people seem to be talking of 'life bans' as the 2 year ban doesn't appear to carry enough weight. ricco knew the risks like all those before him and took that risk. would he have done the same if he knew that he'd get a life ban if caught? i think it may have made him think twice. a perfect chance i think to really set a precedent and draw a line in the sand. thats it, no more chances... |
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Iain Bonsall
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Ricco 'Banned for Life'? |
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| Eeyore wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
| karlos wrote: |
should he be the first to be 'Banned for Life' ?
cast your vote in this 7 day poll |
Why, what has he done that is so much worse than anyoine else that is caught? And at least he's had the ball to fess up unlike most of the snivelling .
Funny we all applaud Millar for doing the same and despite him not being a patch on his former self since his comeback stil believe he only took it when he said. However Ricco must be lying and should be banned for life??? |
Because now is the time to draw the line. The old guard is going now. No second chances. They all know the score. |
HEAR HEAR!
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Ricco 'Banned for Life'? |
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| Iain Bonsall wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
| karlos wrote: |
should he be the first to be 'Banned for Life' ?
cast your vote in this 7 day poll |
Why, what has he done that is so much worse than anyoine else that is caught? And at least he's had the ball to fess up unlike most of the snivelling .
Funny we all applaud Millar for doing the same and despite him not being a patch on his former self since his comeback stil believe he only took it when he said. However Ricco must be lying and should be banned for life??? |
I don't, shouldn't have done it in the first bloody place |
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Lee
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| karlos wrote: |
| well we had all that pre-tour talk of hitting any dopers hard and that it wouldn't be tolerated. also more and more people seem to be talking of 'life bans' as the 2 year ban doesn't appear to carry enough weight. ricco knew the risks like all those before him and took that risk. would he have done the same if he knew that he'd get a life ban if caught? i think it may have made him think twice. a perfect chance i think to really set a precedent and draw a line in the sand. thats it, no more chances... |
Draw a line agreed and yes maybe introduce life bans, but to be honest to suggest that you change the punishment and introduce it retrospectively is a ridiculous idea as regards as enforcability goes.
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gswarbrick
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ricco knew the risks like all those before him and took that risk. would he have done the same if he knew that he'd get a life ban if caught? i think it may have made him think twice. |
Ah, deterrence... the principle that underpins the criminal justice system and is responsible for the current programme of jail closures in the UK... Who'd take the risk, eh?
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Legs
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That sounds like the cue for Lord Royston of Gardiner 
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benlane
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| That sounds like the cue for Lord Royston of Gardiner |
What the old harsh sentences do not reduce the likliness to commit the crime idea?
Yes, come on Roy, lets avit! |
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Canonised
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| could he have a 5 year ban please? |
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Turismo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| How about just making him ride this year's Vuelta as punishment so there's something interesting to watch while Contador bores his way to another victory? |
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walleyes
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| I wouldn't have proposed a life ban maybe a couple of years ago but Ricco is well aware of the determination of ASO and the like to eliminate Doping therefore to do so now he is doubly stupid imo. So life ban for Ricco - yes - and anyone else from now on. |
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Billynobrakes
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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When he broke the rules, the rules stated he would get a 2 year ban, therefore he should get a two year ban, simple innit?
Surely the question should be - 'should the rule be changed to allow for life bans to be imposed?'
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AlbertHerring
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Unenforceable on any pro on the grounds of restraint of trade; also unenforceable on Riccò because rules can't be changed retroactively. So it's silly going all Daily Mail on his assos; better to think of terms of something that won't fall over after a long expensive court case - I'd suggest longer bans (after the two years) from events above a specific category, so that the restraint of trade thing wouldn't apply (they'd still be able to earn a living riding chippers) but they would still lose out enormously.
Of course, it would be more effective if the biggest race in the world hadn't just voluntarily demoted itself to chipper classification, but anyway. |
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AlbertHerring
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Recent Italian legal history is full of "pentiti", "repentant" villains who confess to lots of contradictory stories; it's become a standard mechanism for obfuscating the truth more than finding it out. So don't expect much more than for stuff to go on a long time inconclusively.
Sorry, posted that on the wrong Riccò thread |
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gswarbrick
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| Ricco is well aware of the determination of ASO and the like to eliminate Doping |
What determination is that, then? There's me thinking that their battle with the UCI was purely commercial and that the whole *CENSORED* thing was a smokescreen.
Of course, if was just commercial, they wouldn't be using the UCI's blood passports or throwing out whole teams when when rider fails a test, to be consistent with the ban on a team that shares nothing but a sponsor with a team that had *CENSORED* problems in the past... Oh, silly me - they aren't and they didn't...
Odd that when riders get busted under the UCI regime it proves that the UCI has no control over the problem; when they get busted under the ASO regime it's because the ASO has got control over the problem...
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Turismo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| throwing out whole teams when when rider fails a test, to be consistent with the ban on a team that shares nothing but a sponsor with a team that had *CENSORED* problems in the past... |
I assume this is in reference to Astana. Did you know that of their squad of thirty riders, seventeen were part of last year's "dirty" Astana? And hey, the team ownership has stayed the same too. And last year they made the exact same argument before bringing massive controversy to the Tour for the second year running.
But hey! Everybody should stop harshing on Astana, because apart from that they're a completely different team! |
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