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| geting in the decisive break, towing everyone else to the finish line then getting beaten in the sprint, then moaning that no one would work with her |
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| missing the decisive break, towing the entire field back to it, then getting beaten in the sprint and moaning that no one else would work |
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MadCow
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What happened to Vos? By the time I sat down to watch, there was no sight of her? Saving all her energys for the track peut-etre? 
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ok, well done Nicole. You can honestly say she did not put a foot wrong in that race. It was a masterful display of intelligent, tactical riding.
I always thought she was a bit like the Russian army: an awesome amount of fire power allied to a woeful lack of tactical nous. It seems that in both Beijing and South Ossetia I am being proved wrong.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| What happened to Vos? By the time I sat down to watch, there was no sight of her? Saving all her energys for the track peut-etre? |
Can't remember where I saw it, but she said she didn't like the weather - "It was too cold!"
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MadCow
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| What happened to Vos? By the time I sat down to watch, there was no sight of her? Saving all her energys for the track peut-etre? |
Can't remember where I saw it, but she said she didn't like the weather - "It was too cold!" |
Mmmh, if she found that cold then she's acclimatised very well. I think she'll be quite formidable on the track.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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she looked incredibly strong--it would have been a cock up if that gap on the last corner had proved costly  ...I thought she'd blown it...but obviously plenty in reserve |
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Vos was one of the casualties off the back after the aging French lady took to the front and started grinding the big gears up the climb. Kristin Armstrong and Judith Arndt were others who suffered.
There was also a crash where Sharon Laws came down and a split happened there too, allowing Cooke and Pooley to go up the road wioth about 12 others. This, for me, was the decisive part of the race.
Nicole took that last corner very, very badly (or carefully) and did mega well to get back to the others in the break. Had any of them have looked back they may have gone for a long one, knowing Cooke was all but dropped, and that *could* have been game over, but fortunately things worked out for girl wonder.
That sprint was awesome. To lead it out from 200m after the effort to get back on coming under the road and up the steepish drag was simply class and raw strength. I thought the Italian might get round her at one point, but she blew badly, allowing Emma Johansson to claim silver.
Fact is, without Pooley and Laws, I reckon I'm safe in saying that Nicole wouldn't have taken gold as she would have had to have done way more work to bring the earlier breakaways back, weakening herself for the finish and probably losing out on a bigger gallop than happened.
It was a great touch to see her seek out both Emma and Sharon at the end and give them BIG hugs and thanks.
A very good team display that should hopefully inspire the rest of the riders in the GB squad. Well done to them. |
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Summed up brilliantly Mr GK  .
Absolutely feckin fantastic 
I think the two other girls deserve medals also.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Vos was one of the casualties off the back after the aging French lady took to the front and started grinding the big gears up the climb. Kristin Armstrong and Judith Arndt were others who suffered.
There was also a crash where Sharon Laws came down and a split happened there too, allowing Cooke and Pooley to go up the road wioth about 12 others. This, for me, was the decisive part of the race.
Nicole took that last corner very, very badly (or carefully) and did mega well to get back to the others in the break. Had any of them have looked back they may have gone for a long one, knowing Cooke was all but dropped, and that *could* have been game over, but fortunately things worked out for girl wonder.
That sprint was awesome. To lead it out from 200m after the effort to get back on coming under the road and up the steepish drag was simply class and raw strength. I thought the Italian might get round her at one point, but she blew badly, allowing Emma Johansson to claim silver.
Fact is, without Pooley and Laws, I reckon I'm safe in saying that Nicole wouldn't have taken gold as she would have had to have done way more work to bring the earlier breakaways back, weakening herself for the finish and probably losing out on a bigger gallop than happened.
It was a great touch to see her seek out both Emma and Sharon at the end and give them BIG hugs and thanks.
A very good team display that should hopefully inspire the rest of the riders in the GB squad. Well done to them. |
It was, but body language tells me they weren't that overjoyed...a case of we did our jobs instead of unboundless joy!?!
Maybe that is just me seeing it that way, regardless of that - fantastic stuff! |
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No doubt there will be gongs for them all in the New Year Honours 
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Whilst I'm glad it didn't come to pass, I thought it was quite a clever post.
Blimey, if he'd written Cadel Evans instead of Nicole Cooke VRs would be tripping over themselves to congratulate the HGF for is astuteness. |
I don't think that the normal riding styles of Nicole and Cadel can be compared, Cadel follows wheels and never attacks and arguably never wins. Nicole is know to attack and for working maybe a little to hard in races.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Vos was one of the casualties off the back after the aging French lady took to the front and started grinding the big gears up the climb. Kristin Armstrong and Judith Arndt were others who suffered.
There was also a crash where Sharon Laws came down and a split happened there too, allowing Cooke and Pooley to go up the road wioth about 12 others. This, for me, was the decisive part of the race.
Nicole took that last corner very, very badly (or carefully) and did mega well to get back to the others in the break. Had any of them have looked back they may have gone for a long one, knowing Cooke was all but dropped, and that *could* have been game over, but fortunately things worked out for girl wonder.
That sprint was awesome. To lead it out from 200m after the effort to get back on coming under the road and up the steepish drag was simply class and raw strength. I thought the Italian might get round her at one point, but she blew badly, allowing Emma Johansson to claim silver.
Fact is, without Pooley and Laws, I reckon I'm safe in saying that Nicole wouldn't have taken gold as she would have had to have done way more work to bring the earlier breakaways back, weakening herself for the finish and probably losing out on a bigger gallop than happened.
It was a great touch to see her seek out both Emma and Sharon at the end and give them BIG hugs and thanks.
A very good team display that should hopefully inspire the rest of the riders in the GB squad. Well done to them. |
It was, but body language tells me they weren't that overjoyed...a case of we did our jobs instead of unboundless joy!?!
Maybe that is just me seeing it that way, regardless of that - fantastic stuff! |
no - that Emma was definitely non - plussed - looked a bit odd - I think she thought she was in with a good chance herself - but she had dropped off on one of the climbs - but did come back |
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BryanTaylor
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| one of the only team sports where only 1 member of the team gets a medal, i know it's labelled individual road race but it's hardly that. |
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stevecee
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Emma tried and went for the win. Nicole said on BBC that the Germans spent their lot bringing Emma back. Bring her back they did.
Apart from being slightly disappointed I would suggest that Emma was completely ball oxed.
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Did you notice that Jennie Longo rode off the back or up front never in the middle of the bunch. She must have spent a lot of engergy yo-yoing off the back
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Well done Nicole and everyone who played a part in her success.
So she played it safe on that right hander, so what! The road surface was, to use Hugh Porter's favourite term 'glacial'. Better to play safe and gamble on coming back at them than to hit the deck and lose for certain.
Besides, if Nicole had come a cropper, then at the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards, we'd only have to listen to a smug Adrian Chiles saying to her, "So, you do fall off a lot then!"
One in the bag - loads more to come. Go Team GB! |
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Er ? Whats that I hear?
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then at the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards, we'd only have to listen to a smug Adrian Chiles saying to her, "So, you do fall off a lot then!"
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He did refer to Laws as 'having a few miles on the clock'. What a charmer!
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but it was also the culmination of a meticulous planning process going back over a year.
The only moment of doubt - among those watching at least - came when Cooke emerged from the final corner a few lengths behind her four companions. Like the other British riders she had started the race using lightweight tyres, which they opted not to change when the rain started. The downside was that she could not lean her bike as far as usual on the last bend
this seems to suggest that with all the planning when it started chucking it down early on - no front wheel with (heavier tyre - not sure what this would be - a 28 mm knobbly ) change was done...?? If she had come down on that corner or the Italian had attacked there ..it wouldnt have looked so good!! |
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All the analytical hindsight from the combined wisdom of some VRs. Simple fact. A win. Lots of "if" and "but" about tyres, Pooley/Laws, etc., but the essence is that the team tactics worked, and a rider who is correctly regarded as one of the favourites by most of the world WON THE RACE. Personally if there had been a 6 woman team and they all finished battered except for the winner, I wouldn't care, the job is to WIN A GOLD. Which has been effectively done. Next please.....
Can't we just be pleased?
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