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shockedsoshocked
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| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
Stroke volume is also taken into account when looking at Cardiac output (heartrate x volume). I've seen fat bastards in the lab get up to well over 220 HR, but their stroke volume will be tiny.
That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
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colinpeerman
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| shockedsoshocked wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
Stroke volume is also taken into account when looking at Cardiac output (heartrate x volume). I've seen fat bastards in the lab get up to well over 220 HR, but their stroke volume will be tiny.
That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
i think we all know the reason Indurain was good.
heart rate wasn't it. 
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Roy Gardiner
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| That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
Was there no end to the man's talents?
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shockedsoshocked
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| colinpeerman wrote: |
| shockedsoshocked wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
Stroke volume is also taken into account when looking at Cardiac output (heartrate x volume). I've seen fat bastards in the lab get up to well over 220 HR, but their stroke volume will be tiny.
That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
i think we all know the reason Indurain was good.
heart rate wasn't it. |
It's the same reason Riis, Jan and Armstrong were good  |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| colinpeerman wrote: |
| shockedsoshocked wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
Stroke volume is also taken into account when looking at Cardiac output (heartrate x volume). I've seen fat bastards in the lab get up to well over 220 HR, but their stroke volume will be tiny.
That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
i think we all know the reason Indurain was good.
heart rate wasn't it. |
Come now peerman, all of his contemporaries indulged, and he could still put a quarter of an hour into them in a TT. |
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Des
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| colinpeerman wrote: |
| shockedsoshocked wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
Stroke volume is also taken into account when looking at Cardiac output (heartrate x volume). I've seen fat bastards in the lab get up to well over 220 HR, but their stroke volume will be tiny.
That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
i think we all know the reason Indurain was good.
heart rate wasn't it. |
I would suggest that his heart would need to be pretty strong in order to pump blood with the consistency of cold porridge around his body.
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| Des wrote: |
| colinpeerman wrote: |
| shockedsoshocked wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
Stroke volume is also taken into account when looking at Cardiac output (heartrate x volume). I've seen fat bastards in the lab get up to well over 220 HR, but their stroke volume will be tiny.
That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
i think we all know the reason Indurain was good.
heart rate wasn't it. |
I would suggest that his heart would need to be pretty strong in order to pump blood with the consistency of cold porridge around his body. |
what sort of blood pressure would he have 
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Dave Griffiths
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| London Bus Chaser wrote: |
| Des wrote: |
| colinpeerman wrote: |
| shockedsoshocked wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
Stroke volume is also taken into account when looking at Cardiac output (heartrate x volume). I've seen fat bastards in the lab get up to well over 220 HR, but their stroke volume will be tiny.
That's why (amongst other super-human qualities) Indurain was so good. Very low resting HR, very high Max HR and a stroke volume a Bull would be proud of. |
i think we all know the reason Indurain was good.
heart rate wasn't it. |
I would suggest that his heart would need to be pretty strong in order to pump blood with the consistency of cold porridge around his body. |
what sort of blood pressure would he have |
Shouldn't that be have had, might be quite normal nowadays |
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mattr
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| Des wrote: |
| I would suggest that his heart would need to be pretty strong in order to pump blood with the consistency of cold porridge around his body. |
what sort of blood pressure would he have |
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| A million |
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London Bus Chaser
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well... for those of you who are interested... which I guess is noone.
I lowered the volume of training last couple of weeks and kept the intensity relatively low.
Been out today for a few hours. Did some intervals & managed to get the HR into the mid 180s during the intervals.
So I guess the problem was fatigue.
Important for us slightly older riders to recover.
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KJ
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What is 'slightly older'?
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Des
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| Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| How high or low your heart beat goes has very little to do with natural ability. |
Well now I thought that (a) natural low rest rate (meaning large, powerful heart) and (b) ability to send your rate very high were pretty much exactly what indicated the presence of natural ability, for an endurance athlete anyway. |
You could think that.
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London Bus Chaser
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| What is 'slightly older'? |
not in my first flush of youth.
approaching 40 (from the wrong direction)
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