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 Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: Geraint Thomas |
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Of course stopped and waited for Wiggins yesterday.
But should he have done? Should a jersey wearer wait, or should the team have previously decided that in the event of any problem he would not wait? After all, he could've dropped back had he been needed.
I think Sky dropped a big cobbler there.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Geraint Thomas |
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Of course stopped and waited for Wiggins yesterday.
But should he have done? Should a jersey wearer wait, or should the team have previously decided that in the event of any problem he would not wait? After all, he could've dropped back had he been needed.
I think Sky dropped a big cobbler there. |
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Did seem an odd decision. Would have made more sense if they knew Wiggins was ok and chasing but they didnt and yet they allowed Thomas to wait.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ...they allowed Thomas to wait. |
My guess is that the issue had not been covered in team briefings and that Thomas decided to wait. No criticism of him, but of the team's planning.
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I think they got it right but unfortunately it just did not work out. Last forty kilometres of the race. The team captain goes down and your whole tour is built on him. Getting on in the last twenty five miles is going to be amazingly difficult and you don't want to lose anything at all so you have your strongest men waiting. Had Bradley got back on his bike then G might have made all the difference in getting him back to the bunch. You could not have counted on the climbers to drag him back on so it needed G and others.
Just one of those things and of course with the benefit of hindsight none of them would have waited.
Sad for G though and I am very impressed how calm he was about it all. I really hope he wins a stage in compensation and he can do it. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Would have had a day or 2 longer in the white jersey, maybe. Main job was to look after Wiggins. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Would have had a day or 2 longer in the white jersey, maybe. |
Or perhaps longer, let's see.
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| Main job was to look after Wiggins. |
Of course. The point I'm attempting to make is that waiting wasn't necessary; he could've dropped back from the front group if needed. The course of action taken removed that choice.
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| The point I'm attempting to make is that waiting wasn't necessary; he could've dropped back from the front group if needed. The course of action taken removed that choice. |
That's the way I see it too. They have radios still at moment after all.
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I think they got it right but unfortunately it just did not work out. Last forty kilometres of the race. The team captain goes down and your whole tour is built on him. Getting on in the last twenty five miles is going to be amazingly difficult and you don't want to lose anything at all so you have your strongest men waiting. Had Bradley got back on his bike then G might have made all the difference in getting him back to the bunch. You could not have counted on the climbers to drag him back on so it needed G and others.
Just one of those things and of course with the benefit of hindsight none of them would have waited.
Sad for G though and I am very impressed how calm he was about it all. I really hope he wins a stage in compensation and he can do it. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| The point I'm attempting to make is that waiting wasn't necessary; he could've dropped back from the front group if needed. The course of action taken removed that choice. |
That's the way I see it too. They have radios still at moment after all. |
Yeah I was disappointed that he had to lose the jersey but it was the correct thing to do at the time, it was mayhem. I'm sure he would do the same again. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Pantani wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| The point I'm attempting to make is that waiting wasn't necessary; he could've dropped back from the front group if needed. The course of action taken removed that choice. |
That's the way I see it too. They have radios still at moment after all. |
Yeah I was disappointed that he had to lose the jersey but it was the correct thing to do at the time, it was mayhem. I'm sure he would do the same again. |
He didn't have to though. Wiggins was the strongest rider there and would have dropped most of the team mates that stopped with him in a few hundred metres.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| sloathe wrote: |
| DenHaag wrote: |
| Pantani wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| The point I'm attempting to make is that waiting wasn't necessary; he could've dropped back from the front group if needed. The course of action taken removed that choice. |
That's the way I see it too. They have radios still at moment after all. |
Yeah I was disappointed that he had to lose the jersey but it was the correct thing to do at the time, it was mayhem. I'm sure he would do the same again. |
He didn't have to though. Wiggins was the strongest rider there and would have dropped most of the team mates that stopped with him in a few hundred metres. |
 Yeah course he would.
Not sure what the big deal is myself.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Billy Boy wrote: |
| sloathe wrote: |
| DenHaag wrote: |
| Pantani wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| The point I'm attempting to make is that waiting wasn't necessary; he could've dropped back from the front group if needed. The course of action taken removed that choice. |
That's the way I see it too. They have radios still at moment after all. |
Yeah I was disappointed that he had to lose the jersey but it was the correct thing to do at the time, it was mayhem. I'm sure he would do the same again. |
He didn't have to though. Wiggins was the strongest rider there and would have dropped most of the team mates that stopped with him in a few hundred metres. |
Yeah course he would.
Not sure what the big deal is myself. |
So why did you bother posting, or have you not the hang of this discussion thing
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Now only 8 seconds down on young rider and leading Sky rider overall!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Now only 8 seconds down on young rider and leading Sky rider overall! |
8 seconds on the day. |
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Thanks for the correction, been a long day, was looking at the wrong list, but he is only 1m 50sec down overall for the young rider. (I was 50% right  )
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| Still not over for him yet, Ive got a feeling that the freedom he now has will allow him to relax and possibly go for a decent GC position. |
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I think they got it right but unfortunately it just did not work out. Last forty kilometres of the race. The team captain goes down and your whole tour is built on him. Getting on in the last twenty five miles is going to be amazingly difficult and you don't want to lose anything at all so you have your strongest men waiting. Had Bradley got back on his bike then G might have made all the difference in getting him back to the bunch. You could not have counted on the climbers to drag him back on so it needed G and others.
Just one of those things and of course with the benefit of hindsight none of them would have waited.
Sad for G though and I am very impressed how calm he was about it all. I really hope he wins a stage in compensation and he can do it. |
I thought G should have kept riding. They could always call him back if required and Brad had remounted. He would only have been a few metres up the road. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| De Rosa wrote: |
I think they got it right but unfortunately it just did not work out. Last forty kilometres of the race. The team captain goes down and your whole tour is built on him. Getting on in the last twenty five miles is going to be amazingly difficult and you don't want to lose anything at all so you have your strongest men waiting. Had Bradley got back on his bike then G might have made all the difference in getting him back to the bunch. You could not have counted on the climbers to drag him back on so it needed G and others.
Just one of those things and of course with the benefit of hindsight none of them would have waited.
Sad for G though and I am very impressed how calm he was about it all. I really hope he wins a stage in compensation and he can do it. |
I thought G should have kept riding. They could always call him back if required and Brad had remounted. He would only have been a few metres up the road. |
Then we could have a thread about how selfish he was. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| DenHaag wrote: |
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| De Rosa wrote: |
I think they got it right but unfortunately it just did not work out. Last forty kilometres of the race. The team captain goes down and your whole tour is built on him. Getting on in the last twenty five miles is going to be amazingly difficult and you don't want to lose anything at all so you have your strongest men waiting. Had Bradley got back on his bike then G might have made all the difference in getting him back to the bunch. You could not have counted on the climbers to drag him back on so it needed G and others.
Just one of those things and of course with the benefit of hindsight none of them would have waited.
Sad for G though and I am very impressed how calm he was about it all. I really hope he wins a stage in compensation and he can do it. |
I thought G should have kept riding. They could always call him back if required and Brad had remounted. He would only have been a few metres up the road. |
Then we could have a thread about how selfish he was. |
Nope. Team orders: 'If you're in a jersey, defend your chance'.
That he waited was commendable and unselfish; if he'd carried on without team orders it would have been sensible; if he'd then refused to wait for a remounted, uninjured Wiggins -- only then would there have been an issue.
But perhaps the means you are being sarcastic...
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