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PNuT
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im not picking on anyone.. but theres still not a good reason for not having FCFS...
ORGANISED RIDERS? GOOD RIDERS? WHATS THAT ABOUT.. YOU GO OFF AT MINUTE INTERVALS IN A STRAIGHT OUT AND BACK USUALLY
ITS JUST A FARCE .. I STILL SAY ONLINE ENTRY AND FCFS... YET TO HEAR A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO BE ANY OTHER WAY..  |
caps lock is hardly needed  toys out of pram springs to mind
not all organisors have pc's for a start, would you like them to stop organising? however a non event will be harder to get in!
fcfs would lead to many problems.... the national hill climb would be full by january by people who cant climb for toffee... how many fone calls would the organisor recieve over the next 8 months enquirering about entry availability?
if you feel strongly enough about it, go thru you club & try & get the entry system changed.... however i think changing the pram for a bike would be a little more constructive 
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Tucker
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| the belly wrote: |
im not picking on anyone.. but theres still not a good reason for not having FCFS...
ORGANISED RIDERS? GOOD RIDERS? WHATS THAT ABOUT.. YOU GO OFF AT MINUTE INTERVALS IN A STRAIGHT OUT AND BACK USUALLY
ITS JUST A FARCE .. I STILL SAY ONLINE ENTRY AND FCFS... YET TO HEAR A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO BE ANY OTHER WAY.. |
So what you're doing is ignoring all the reasons given so far, and asking the same question in CAPITAL LETTERS? You sound like the sort of poster I usually ignore. |
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mattr
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| the belly wrote: |
| im not picking on anyone.. but theres still not a good reason for not having FCFS... |
Ah well, if you say so
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| ORGANISED RIDERS? GOOD RIDERS? WHATS THAT ABOUT.. YOU GO OFF AT MINUTE INTERVALS IN A STRAIGHT OUT AND BACK USUALLY |
There is a maximum size for each field, if the most organised riders all enter early the fast/good riders (who make the event more worthwhile, e.g. i was 3 minutes adrift of Mr.X who did a 19:yy 10) won't get in.
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| ITS JUST A FARCE .. I STILL SAY ONLINE ENTRY AND FCFS... YET TO HEAR A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO BE ANY OTHER WAY.. |
Ah well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it understand.
If you are that keen on getting into fast events,might i suggest either getting a coach, training a bit more and getting some fast times in less over subscribed events. Or going thro your club and getting the rules changed, to suit you. |
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Legs
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RETARD
(the points that his interest is triathlon and that he can't even spell his professional title suggest that Tucker is right - one for the imaginary 'ignore' button...)
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KJ
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Do they still have tt leagues. In East Yorkshire the tt league used to be alternate Thursdays to the rr league. Both were handicapped. Riders could move up or down the rankings over the course of the series. Prizes were awarded for each block of riders in the tt, so old ladies and beginners had something to race for. Apart from the odd sporting event this was the only tting, apart from club events, I got to do as we lived near an ultra fast course and I'd never have made the requisite times.
Basically like the road racing categories being discussed the entry level is quite high for a lot of events so from his perspective Belly has a point.
Oh and Legs don't even think of calling ME a RETARD
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Legs
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Oh and Legs don't even think of calling ME a RETARD |
Of course not, you've got a capacity for rational thought, which this belly character clearly hasn't.
If you dole out places on a FCFS basis, you have to stipulate an opening date for entries, otherwise you'd have people like Mr Rowley entering the 2010 Tour de France now. Then you get situation like the Fred Whitton Challenge, whereby the books are full by 00:04 on New Year's Day for an event in May because of the sudden rush. In the intervening weeks and months, all manner of circumstances can arise which may lead to many of the riders' plans changing! For newcomers to cycling, particularly the talented ones whose times are fast enough to get into 'fast' events, it would be just as unfair to not get into the 'fast events' because they did not know about them however-many months ago...
All this will be lost on the belly...
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Do they still have tt leagues. In East Yorkshire the tt league used to be alternate Thursdays to the rr league. Both were handicapped. Riders could move up or down the rankings over the course of the series. Prizes were awarded for each block of riders in the tt, so old ladies and beginners had something to race for. Apart from the odd sporting event this was the only tting, apart from club events, I got to do as we lived near an ultra fast course and I'd never have made the requisite times.
Basically like the road racing categories being discussed the entry level is quite high for a lot of events so from his perspective Belly has a point.
Oh and Legs don't even think of calling ME a RETARD |
Team Midland run a TT league. Riders are in ability categories and there are also vets and tandem categories. Points for position (not time) in your category and prizes at the end of season do. |
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Tucker
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| A recent event on the U47 in Cirencester closed on a long 21, that's the fastest open 10 I've ever heard of. Apart from that the answer's yes. A long 21 would also get you into the national 10 most years (but not this year, at the moment it's 21:23 unless there are more entries to come in) |
'kin 'ell, if I want to ride the nationals I'll have to get a TT bike & a silly hat. Can't they just change the rules so I can enter in advance? |
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PNuT
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| 'kin 'ell, if I want to ride the nationals I'll have to get a TT bike & a silly hat. Can't they just change the rules so I can enter in advance? |
feel free, i posted my entry off as i want a ride in the individual pursuit in 2012.... doubt brad has thought about entering yet so i should get his ride
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| He could also return excess entries immediately, giving those riders time to get into another event. The current rules expressly prevent this - the organiser has to wait until the deadline and select the field on ability. |
Surely, once you get to enough entries to make up a full field, you sort them into qualifying time order. When new ones come in, if they are slower then you can send them back straight away, or if they are faster then you can bump the bottom one off the pile and send that back, no need to wait until the closing date. Maybe hang onto a couple in case anybody withdraws.
The ten day turnround is indeed a bit tight, but it was worse when you had to use Letraset to do the start sheet layout... |
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the reason they are not sent back is you have time to improve on your qualifying time, & then notify the organisor of any improvement right up to the closing date.....
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| the reason they are not sent back is you have time to improve on your qualifying time, & then notify the organisor of any improvement right up to the closing date..... |
Does this happen often?
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| I've done it after the closing date (notification still required if there's a handicap) when I was about 14. But if I'd entered early and had it returned early then improved before the closing date, I'd probably try using the electric telephone to see if I could get a second chance. Or just send the entry in again. |
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PNuT
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| Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| the reason they are not sent back is you have time to improve on your qualifying time, & then notify the organisor of any improvement right up to the closing date..... |
Does this happen often? |
dunno....
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