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Yeh i ALWAYS wear one! |
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48% |
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Most of the time! |
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22% |
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Only In races |
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24% |
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NO |
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5% |
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Steve (Junior) E, Bronze
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 Posts: 453 Location: Portsmouth
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:44 pm Post subject: Helmets- Do you or don't you (newly edited poll)? |
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Following on from The helmets psot, and the shocking death of Kivulev! _________________ Remember, pain is temporary, pride is permenant!
Last edited by Steve (Junior) on Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:58 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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John B Guest
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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i've raerly seen such a biased and badly worded poll.
Its the standard of "have you stopped beating your wife?"
Try again.
John B |
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dockeca Div 2 Pro
Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Posts: 4741 Location: halfway up the South Downs - or halfway down the South Ups!
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Steve, perhaps you would like to think again. The poll looks OK and then you do a very silly thing by adding your bracketed comments to the fourth choice. As it is, the poll is not deserving of a vote. The header is pretty suspect too. We KNOW your point of view from - if you run a poll the idea is to get other views! _________________ Doc
"Any views expressed are entirely my own and not representative of any organisation of which I may or may not be a member. Unless I say otherwise."
"A Libertarian Crackpot" H.Peel |
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Steve (Junior) E, Bronze
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 Posts: 453 Location: Portsmouth
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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agree..sorry bout that..i had a stupid very biased 5 mins..sorry bout that guys..anyway you could delete the whole post!??
sory _________________ Remember, pain is temporary, pride is permenant! |
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Richard World Champ
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 14007 Location: Coventry
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Steve, just go and edit the orginal Poll options. As editor you should be able to.
I wear a helmet 100% of the time in the uk as the driving standard of joe public is atrocious.
HOWEVER, in Majorca, I never wore it once Now I KNOW this is *CENSORED* but it was nice to get a tan on my bald bonce and the driving in Majorca is cycling friendly and the weather meant I would have overheated most days. Although 90% of those out there had lids on, freedom of choice meant you don't have to if you don't want to. _________________ The internet is possibly the greatest bitch fest on earth. Expect anything than relentless ridicule for no good reason and your expectations are set way too high |
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PNuT Moderator
Joined: 12 Sep 2002 Posts: 18512
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Rich Hodge wrote: |
I wear a helmet 100% of the time in the uk as the driving standard of joe public is atrocious.
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you wernt wearing it when i met you !!! _________________ PNuT, who could forget PNuT
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Richard World Champ
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 14007 Location: Coventry
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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ha di ha ha!
Ok, For those pernickity types, I wear it every time I ride my bike on the road due to pressure from 'er indoors. _________________ The internet is possibly the greatest bitch fest on earth. Expect anything than relentless ridicule for no good reason and your expectations are set way too high |
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Pacey E, Gold
Joined: 05 Nov 2002 Posts: 2790 Location: The mega hilly bit of Cornwall
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I always wear one now, attack a postie on saturday (not ask), so the whole of the Royal Mail is after me. was wearing USPS stuff at the time. which didn't help _________________ Going out the back in style since 2002. |
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Scott C E, Silver
Joined: 22 Dec 2002 Posts: 548
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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What are the disadvantages of wearing a helmet in this country or is it just that you dont like being forced into wearing one so you decide to rebell against it?? |
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dockeca Div 2 Pro
Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Posts: 4741 Location: halfway up the South Downs - or halfway down the South Ups!
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Steve, first well done for amending the options. Laudable.
Who Knows, it's not compulsory to wear a helmet for ordinary riding - yet.
But, we live in a nanny society, so if persuasion fails...... _________________ Doc
"Any views expressed are entirely my own and not representative of any organisation of which I may or may not be a member. Unless I say otherwise."
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Des Moderator
Joined: 19 Apr 2002 Posts: 16900 Location: Harrow
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Rich Hodge wrote: |
I wear a helmet 100% of the time in the uk as the driving standard of joe public is atrocious...
HOWEVER, in Majorca, I never wore it once Now I KNOW this is *CENSORED* ... Although 90% of those out there had lids on, freedom of choice meant you don't have to if you don't want to. |
Rich, I thought Helmets were compulsory on Spain! mind you I did ride from Malaga to Biaritz 3 years ago and only wore it when descending the mountains to the west of Madrid. The Local Police chief form Burgos that I road along with didn't seem to worried about the new law either, mind you he was topping up his tan by just riding in shorts _________________ www.kentonrc.co.uk |
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John McC Moderator
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 24510 Location: Leafy Barnet
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Des wrote: |
I thought Helmets were compulsory on Spain... |
Maybe in mainland Spain, but certainly not in Mallorca, Des. |
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Brian_B Cat 4 Groupie
Joined: 17 Nov 2002 Posts: 3 Location: Heywood, Lancashire
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I thought we were passed the infantile discussion as to whether helmets saved lives. If you as adults do not like wearing them please do it as a favour to the impressionable young people whoes brains have something to contribute to cycling and life in general. |
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qcscmh World Champ
Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Posts: 14071 Location: Not on the Bike
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Brian_B wrote: |
I thought we were passed the infantile discussion as to whether helmets saved lives. If you as adults do not like wearing them please do it as a favour to the impressionable young people whoes brains have something to contribute to cycling and life in general. |
Have a go at the car drivers as well to slow down and the road designers to make our roads more bike friendly. _________________ _____________________________________
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John McC Moderator
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 24510 Location: Leafy Barnet
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Brian_B wrote: |
I thought we were passed the infantile discussion as to whether helmets saved lives. If you as adults do not like wearing them please do it as a favour to the impressionable young people whoes brains have something to contribute to cycling and life in general. |
No real evidence to support this. In areas where helmet wearing has dramatically increased in the last ten years (e.g. London, or Australia where they are mandatory), there has been no corresponding reduction in the number of serious head injuries and fatalities; in fact they have increased |
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Megman Div 2 Pro
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 5786 Location: Not in Lich any more
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:16 am Post subject: |
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John McC wrote: |
No real evidence to support this. In areas where helmet wearing has dramatically increased in the last ten years (e.g. London, or Australia where they are mandatory), there has been no corresponding reduction in the number of serious head injuries and fatalities; in fact they have increased |
Is that just because more people are riding their bikes? or because there are more accidents? Ask Henk Vogels about whether helmets save lives.
There are many accidents where a helmet will not save your life, I know people who think it is a waste of time because you may get left a vegetable when you would have died. I am banking on all the times I might end up a vegetable and I walk away.
My grandad was killed on his bike and he was stationary!! He was pushed off his bike when at some traffic lights. Hit his head on the kerb and it was just a really unfortunate impact. My Mum lost her Dad when she was 3. How would your kids feel about that?
I always wear my helmet on the bike, even in Majorca when it is hot and I am climbing (very slowly). I have never had an accident on my bike and I hope I never do, but it is a small price to pay in case I do.
Sorry to be morbid, but it is something I feel strongly about. |
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John McC Moderator
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 24510 Location: Leafy Barnet
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm not anti helmet, just pro choice, and I find it irritating to say the least that many who wear helmets seek to impose their views on the rest of us.
What recent research has shown is that the helmet promotion is putting people off from taking up cycling as it brands cycling as a "dangerous" activity. As the John Franklin of the CTC put it:
Research shows clearly that cycling is in fact a very safe activity, for the health benefits greatly outweigh risk of traffic accident, by perhaps twenty-to-one....
If the risk of injury when cycling is small, the risk of head injury is much smaller. It takes over 3,000 years of average cycling to suffer a serious head injury, and the risk of death through head injury is very small indeed. Whilst head injury is not a principal factor in all premature deaths, it is a little less likely to be for cyclists than pedestrians or car occupants, who, research shows, have potentially more to gain from helmets.
Despite this, helmet promotion campaigns invariably brand cycling as dangerous, both in itself and relative to other activities. This leads thousands of people to forego a pursuit that might benefit them greatly. Cycle use has indeed fallen dramatically almost everywhere that helmets have been promoted. The effect has been particularly pronounced amongst teenagers, with falls in cycle use of up to 60%.
If people are deterred from cycling by helmet promotion, this represents a serious loss of public health benefits to society as a whole. It follows that society has far more to gain from having more people cycling without helmets than fewer people cycling with them and that us before one takes account of other public benefits such as improved air quality and reduced congestion. Yet the UK Government has never analysed this
Of perhaps more interest is what is said of potential injury reduction:
Helmet promotion campaigns claim great benefits from helmet use, but these predictions are based on small non-randomised studies, that have never been matched by real-life evidence from whole population data, such as traffic casualty and hospital treatment records.
Across several countries where helmet use has become significant, large population sources show no discernible reduction at all in fatal or serious injuries relative to cycle use. Moreover, where injury trends have changed, the number or severity of injuries has increased. In London, for example, where some 50% of cyclists now wear helmets, injury severity was higher in 2001 than in 1981 and fatalities were at their highest since 1989. This cannot be attributed simply to traffic conditions; the severity of pedestrian casualties, which historically tracks those of cyclists, declined.
In the USA, an increase in helmet wearing from 18% to 50% of cyclists between 1991 and 2001 was associated with a 40% increase in risk of head injury. Safety experts admit to being mystified that they can't find a benefit from rising helmet use. In Australia, there have been competing claims about the effect of the country's helmet laws, but it is now clear that whilst the absolute number of head injuries fell, this was proportionately less than the decline in cycle use. |
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Megman Div 2 Pro
Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 5786 Location: Not in Lich any more
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:05 am Post subject: |
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And that article does not mention whether cycling had generally increased and that could be attributed to the increase in accidents.
I agree with choice, especially for the pros. I do not think it needs to be compulsory. |
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John McC Moderator
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 24510 Location: Leafy Barnet
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:10 am Post subject: |
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On that point it basically says helmets = fewer people riding bikes, and no reduction in injuries/deaths.
Send me your e-mail address and I'll e-mail the full article. |
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