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mho
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gswarbrick
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: 11 speed or electronic |
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Too easy. 11 speed is Crampy, so it's a non-starter... 
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LukePiewalker
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I haven't made it to 10 yet....
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Glandularfeverislame
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8 speed grip shift
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jay cee
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| having used the electronic campag, I can safely say it is very good! |
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canon dale
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Wait and see. Never be the first to buy new tech, even if its from Shimano who are renowned for their testing.
Case in point - iphone v 3G version perhaps? Wait for the cr@p to separate out 
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mho
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mattr
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I wonder how well the electronic stuff (wired of otherwise) is sheilded?
I know that both my HRM (Polar, coded, wireless) and one or two of the wired computers (shimano, cateye) we use go into mental mode as soon as my lights are turned on, or two units are put in *just* the wrong position in relationship to each other............
Loosing heart rate or speed data is one thing, but random shifting........
(and what about static build up between moving parts?) |
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Des
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How well are the solinoids sealed as well. A tiny bit of grit in there and...
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mattr
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| How well are the solenoids sealed as well. A tiny bit of grit in there and... |
ah, but thats all under shimanos control........... seals (should) be easy, until some twonk starts pouring neat degreaser all over the rear mech! (And i was pretty sure they used servos not solenoids)
But have they tried a D-A shifter system on a 1990s steel frame with a set of 10 year old BLT lights fitted................. |
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gswarbrick
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| How well are the solinoids sealed as well. A tiny bit of grit in there and... |
...because no mechanical derailleur set up ever missed a gear. And no cable ever snapped. And no STI clutch ever failed (why do they use chewing gum in the front Tiagra shifter?)...
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benlane
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| mattr wrote: |
I wonder how well the electronic stuff (wired of otherwise) is sheilded?
I know that both my HRM (Polar, coded, wireless) and one or two of the wired computers (shimano, cateye) we use go into mental mode as soon as my lights are turned on, or two units are put in *just* the wrong position in relationship to each other............
Loosing heart rate or speed data is one thing, but random shifting........
(and what about static build up between moving parts?) |
Random shifting into the 11 sprocket whilst grimping up some steep climb will be great fun in a race. |
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mattr
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| Random shifting into the 11 sprocket whilst grimping up some steep climb will be great fun in a race. |
only for spectators, photographers, and people NOT behind you. |
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benlane
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| Random shifting into the 11 sprocket whilst grimping up some steep climb will be great fun in a race. |
only for spectators, photographers, and people NOT behind you. |
Imagine the fun in 2/3/4 chippers when some people suddenly find the urge to weave all over the road on the slightest incline when they suddenly find themselves in the 11. 
I don't think I need the risk of sudden shifting failure and find myself stuck in the wrong gear. |
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Des
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Des wrote: |
| How well are the solinoids sealed as well. A tiny bit of grit in there and... |
...because no mechanical derailleur set up ever missed a gear. And no cable ever snapped. And no STI clutch ever failed (why do they use chewing gum in the front Tiagra shifter?)... |
Not normally without prior warning, no.
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mattr
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| Des wrote: |
| How well are the solinoids sealed as well. A tiny bit of grit in there and... |
...because no mechanical derailleur set up ever missed a gear. And no cable ever snapped. And no STI clutch ever failed |
But all that is under my control, and easy to keep on top of, so even if i use and abuse it for years i (should) know that it is on its way out. And even if it does pop, its not a) expensive or b) particularly difficult to fix.
Tho the mechanically inept/incompetent may prefer electronic, where it will work perfectly for x months, then fail catastrophically and have to be replaced.
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| (why do they use chewing gum in the front Tiagra shifter?)... |
Erm, at a guess, i'd reckon thats cos it's cheap.
One reason why i'll never drop below Ultegra shifters, for the (minimal) extra cost, they last two or three times as long (at least). |
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mho
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Des wrote: |
| How well are the solinoids sealed as well. A tiny bit of grit in there and... |
...because no mechanical derailleur set up ever missed a gear. And no cable ever snapped. And no STI clutch ever failed (why do they use chewing gum in the front Tiagra shifter?)... |
I've used ergo since it came out and have never experienced cable snaps or lever failure. Seems to me either system could miss a gear but its unknown how serviceable the electronic is. |
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| Now a days every one prefers to get an electric bike because no license or tax required to ride and their performance is great as well. I got this http://www.scootercity.co.uk/electric-bikes/z4-21-speed-folding-electric-mountain-bike-26-white.html electric mountain bike six months ago.it is a folding bike with 21 speed shimano gearbox. It’s most comfortable bike I ever had and its electric assistance is great. It is always been great fun to ride the bike. I would highly recommend it! |
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Roy Gardiner
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I use Di2 now, no going back to mechanical for me.
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