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tracksprinterbabe
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 Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: Opinions please - frame geometry |
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Traditional, or compact, or does it matter?
Is weight more important than the shape?
Is does big beefy tubing win you over narrow?
Flashy colours or subtle?
What would you buy?
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Dan Souf
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Trad,
and all one colour,
don't mind fancy tube shapes though. |
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scoobydoo
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| Well getting the right size frame is important. Maybe worth getting a frame fitting. |
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Hans Datdodishes
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Is this about a new ironing board?
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Dastardly
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I dont think there is any difference between the performance of compact v trad, so essentially it doesnt matter. From then on it is a case of the best combo of looks, weight, feel etc etc.
My personal pref is traditional, italian, and quality. |
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scoobydoo
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It's also worth considering what frame your on now is it sloping or traditional and go for the same design. But go for carbon or titainium.
Favor carbon myself after riding a carbon frame the stiff ride and responsiveness is good. |
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Hans Datdodishes
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Light and stiff - shape/colour doesn't matter too much (within reason - wouldn't be seen dead on a 'flying gate' type)
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Weight, looks, geometry all equally important.
Daft question. 
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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i like compact as i like stiff frames and i also like the looks of 'em.
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions please - frame geometry |
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| tracksprinterbabe wrote: |
| Traditional, or compact, or does it matter? |
Traditional
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Yes
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| Is does big beefy tubing win you over narrow? |
No. I think the sharpest look is traditional close-clearance steel
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As flash as possible
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Gangl titanium (traditional) or Ambrosio full carbon (modern) which weigh within 200g of one another (fully rigged, wheels out).
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mhgregor
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There's my answer on this matter.
Cheap (so you won't hurt your wallet when you crash), just as light as carbon - revolving weight is much more important i.e., wheels, pedals & cranks, stiffer than carbon yet compliant...it has carbon rear end, carbon Deda seat post and Deda forks, simple in colour / understated and above all it's a perfect fit.
I've had a Colnago C40, Coppi KSC, Ciocc Columbus, Bob Jackson 753, Raleigh 531...plus a number of others and after crashing them all, I'll never spend big money on a frame again, the components you put on it are far more important.
You can't beat a Taiwanese frame that's made up to geometry approved by your local hero and sprayed up locally in any combination of colours to match the rest of your kit. It comes out of the same factory as many top Italian brands. Full carbon imho is just a way of extracting extra cash out of us...manufacturers just push it at consumers. Alu is just as good if not better for a good road race frame.
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hunterbark
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| Compact is the answer for me, I ride with my knees very close to the top tube (just like Bugno, only much slower). Got a compact for this racing season, I can now pedal properly and never touch the top tube with my knees, huge difference in comfort, will change my track steed next year to a compact, probably a Giant too. |
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Zontor the Destroyer
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| Compact is the answer for me, I ride with my knees very close to the top tube (just like Bugno, only much slower). Got a compact for this racing season, I can now pedal properly and never touch the top tube with my knees, huge difference in comfort, will change my track steed next year to a compact, probably a Giant too. |
You can now pedal improperly you mean.
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There's my answer on this matter.
Cheap (so you won't hurt your wallet when you crash), just as light as carbon - revolving weight is much more important i.e., wheels, pedals & cranks, stiffer than carbon yet compliant...it has carbon rear end, carbon Deda seat post and Deda forks, simple in colour / understated and above all it's a perfect fit.
I've had a Colnago C40, Coppi KSC, Ciocc Columbus, Bob Jackson 753, Raleigh 531...plus a number of others and after crashing them all, I'll never spend big money on a frame again, the components you put on it are far more important.
You can't beat a Taiwanese frame that's made up to geometry approved by your local hero, John Perks and sprayed up locally in any combination of colours to match the rest of your kit. It comes out of the same factory as many top Italian brands. Full carbon imho is just a way of extracting extra cash out of us...manufacturers just push it at consumers. Alu is just as good if not better for a good road race frame.
PM me if you want contact details for John Perks or a rough idea on his prices, they are very good. He has drawings of all the frame sizes on Auto CAD and can fit you up perfectly.
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wow you crash alot, are you of sound mind?
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mhgregor
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| Compact is the answer for me, I ride with my knees very close to the top tube (just like Bugno, only much slower). Got a compact for this racing season, I can now pedal properly and never touch the top tube with my knees, huge difference in comfort, will change my track steed next year to a compact, probably a Giant too. |
You can now pedal improperly you mean. |
Surely that's a personal thing to hunterbark? A lot of riders pedal with their knees very close together as they find it easier to get force onto the pedal on the downstroke...and I'm not talking turd cat numpties like moi either, but there are plenty of handy pro's that ride like that.
Can't think of any off hand mind...yes I can! Frank Schleck rides very much like that. Surely you're not going to tell me he doesn't pedal properly now!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/apr06/amstel06/index.php?id=s-scleck6694-059 |
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mhgregor
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wow you crash alot, are you of sound mind? |
Perfectly! I did start racing in 1988 and I've raced in Spain and the US, never at any great level of course...the Yanks are all nutters, big fields too: crashed there plenty, it's all those bleedin crits they race. |
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There's my answer on this matter.
Cheap (so you won't hurt your wallet when you crash), just as light as carbon - revolving weight is much more important i.e., wheels, pedals & cranks, stiffer than carbon yet compliant...it has carbon rear end, carbon Deda seat post and Deda forks, simple in colour / understated and above all it's a perfect fit.
I've had a Colnago C40, Coppi KSC, Ciocc Columbus, Bob Jackson 753, Raleigh 531...plus a number of others and after crashing them all, I'll never spend big money on a frame again, the components you put on it are far more important.
You can't beat a Taiwanese frame that's made up to geometry approved by your local hero, John Perks and sprayed up locally in any combination of colours to match the rest of your kit. It comes out of the same factory as many top Italian brands. Full carbon imho is just a way of extracting extra cash out of us...manufacturers just push it at consumers. Alu is just as good if not better for a good road race frame.
PM me if you want contact details for John Perks or a rough idea on his prices, they are very good. He has drawings of all the frame sizes on Auto CAD and can fit you up perfectly. |
I always thought being "fitted up" wasnt a good thing
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erudite pete
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| You can't beat a Taiwanese frame that's made up to geometry approved by your local hero, John Perks. He has drawings of all the frame sizes on Auto CAD and can fit you up perfectly. |
Do you mean that the frame is custom-built to your dimensions? |
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Zontor the Destroyer
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| Zontor the Destroyer wrote: |
| hunterbark wrote: |
| Compact is the answer for me, I ride with my knees very close to the top tube (just like Bugno, only much slower). Got a compact for this racing season, I can now pedal properly and never touch the top tube with my knees, huge difference in comfort, will change my track steed next year to a compact, probably a Giant too. |
You can now pedal improperly you mean. |
Surely that's a personal thing to hunterbark? A lot of riders pedal with their knees very close together as they find it easier to get force onto the pedal on the downstroke...and I'm not talking turd cat numpties like moi either, but there are plenty of handy pro's that ride like that.
Can't think of any off hand mind...yes I can! Frank Schleck rides very much like that. Surely you're not going to tell me he doesn't pedal properly now!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/apr06/amstel06/index.php?id=s-scleck6694-059 |
Yep, cant be bothered to explain, but yep yep yep.
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| Zontor the Destroyer wrote: |
| mhgregor wrote: |
| Zontor the Destroyer wrote: |
| hunterbark wrote: |
| Compact is the answer for me, I ride with my knees very close to the top tube (just like Bugno, only much slower). Got a compact for this racing season, I can now pedal properly and never touch the top tube with my knees, huge difference in comfort, will change my track steed next year to a compact, probably a Giant too. |
You can now pedal improperly you mean. |
Surely that's a personal thing to hunterbark? A lot of riders pedal with their knees very close together as they find it easier to get force onto the pedal on the downstroke...and I'm not talking turd cat numpties like moi either, but there are plenty of handy pro's that ride like that.
Can't think of any off hand mind...yes I can! Frank Schleck rides very much like that. Surely you're not going to tell me he doesn't pedal properly now!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/apr06/amstel06/index.php?id=s-scleck6694-059 |
Yep, cant be bothered to explain, but yep yep yep. |
But Zontor is a mudplugger, so his opinion doesn't count. They don't know how to pedal.
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