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tommo Div 1 Pro

Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 6687 Location: Living the dream in Clay cross where else ?
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Will Scarlet wrote: |
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Whats really Scary is looking at the E.Mids A.G.M thread, and the fact that the people in charge of Racing in the E.Mids are all fooking track riders and Moderators on here ! No wonder our Divisions totally Fooked up ! |
Nothing to stop you standing. Clay Cross is in the East Midlands, isn't it? |
Thats not the point is it ! I'm merely giving my view on the shambles ... You were the one complaining about the state or lack of Racing in our Division ! Which is fair enough , but then i see your name on the E.Mids A.G.M thread as a board member ! What chance have we got ? I'ts just Utterly unbelivable  _________________ Clay cross RT www.claycrossrt.co.uk
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tommo Div 1 Pro

Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 6687 Location: Living the dream in Clay cross where else ?
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
Organise one then mate. I'll chuck in a donation for the prize list |
I'm on it . _________________ Clay cross RT www.claycrossrt.co.uk
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Mrs Trellis Cat 2 Groupie

Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 27
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Two races not mentioned for Elite riders in the East Midlands are the Lincoln Grand Prix and the Cicle Classic. _________________ I'm from Wales. |
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Will Scarlet E, Silver
Joined: 31 Dec 2002 Posts: 1734
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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tommo wrote: |
Will Scarlet wrote: |
tommo wrote: |
Whats really Scary is looking at the E.Mids A.G.M thread, and the fact that the people in charge of Racing in the E.Mids are all fooking track riders and Moderators on here ! No wonder our Divisions totally Fooked up ! |
Nothing to stop you standing. Clay Cross is in the East Midlands, isn't it? |
Thats not the point is it ! I'm merely giving my view on the shambles ... You were the one complaining about the state or lack of Racing in our Division ! Which is fair enough , but then i see your name on the E.Mids A.G.M thread as a board member ! What chance have we got ? I'ts just Utterly unbelivable  |
But the division board don't organise races. Organisers do. If there's anything we can do to make the job easier, then we'll do it. |
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plifford Cat 2 Groupie

Joined: 20 Oct 2009 Posts: 61
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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For all those interested in organising road races they can attend this
Road Race Organisers Course 9.30am - 4.30pm
Holy Trinity & Community Centre
Boundary Road, Newark, Nottinghamshire
Saturday 25th September 2010
The course is free to BC Members.
If you are interested, please contact Jenny Gretton by phone: 07930 229993 or email: jennygretton@britishcycling.org.uk
Peter Lifford
RCA East Midlands. _________________ Pete Lifford
Regional Competition Administrator
British Cycling East Mids Region |
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Tom Butcher E, Silver
Joined: 20 Aug 2003 Posts: 1575 Location: Derby
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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There's a lack of E1 licence holders - that means unless you are subsidising an E1 race with a lower cat race or you have sponsorship it's much more of a risk to put on an E12 than a 34 or 234. That's the bottom line - if you want more races then there has to be enough riders to fill them up. |
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Will Scarlet E, Silver
Joined: 31 Dec 2002 Posts: 1734
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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So if you're an Elite, move to Manchester or Surrey, or London or Milton Keynes. |
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ray stuart E, Silver
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 1262 Location: POOLE
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is still the ridiculous BC category ranking system and the fact that BC will not now listen to the membership. It is very easy to become an Elite rider and then impossible to find any races to ride unless you are a pro and get your expenses paid. You could go to the BC East Mids AGM or the Mallory AGM but you will be wasting your time if you think you can have any influence on road racing. I was on the Mallory Committee at one time but was forced to resign because the secretary could not spell the name of the venue of the AGM correctly. |
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Tom Butcher E, Silver
Joined: 20 Aug 2003 Posts: 1575 Location: Derby
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Chrissylaa E, Gold
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3382 Location: On a hillside desolate.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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ray stuart wrote: |
The problem is still the ridiculous BC category ranking system and the fact that BC will not now listen to the membership. It is very easy to become an Elite rider and then impossible to find any races to ride unless you are a pro and get your expenses paid. You could go to the BC East Mids AGM or the Mallory AGM but you will be wasting your time if you think you can have any influence on road racing. I was on the Mallory Committee at one time but was forced to resign because the secretary could not spell the name of the venue of the AGM correctly. |
I don't think it's that easy to become an Elite is it Ray?
But you definitely need sponsorship when you get there due to lack of events and Premier Calendar races at 25 quid to enter. _________________ And the senses being dulled are mine. |
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Will Scarlet E, Silver
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Not that hard to become a first cat though, which still means no racing.
Dan McLay, still a junior, but can't ride his local road race league, despite only living 5 miles from Mallory, because he's a 1st cat. Do we really want lads who are still at school having to travel to the other end of the country so that they can get to ride a race? |
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Chrissylaa E, Gold
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3382 Location: On a hillside desolate.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Will Scarlet wrote: |
Not that hard to become a first cat though, which still means no racing.
Dan McLay, still a junior, but can't ride his local road race league, despite only living 5 miles from Mallory, because he's a 1st cat. Do we really want lads who are still at school having to travel to the other end of the country so that they can get to ride a race? |
There must be a way around this because the Wyre Forest promotions at Stourport circuit allow 1st cat juniors to ride with 2/3rd cats.Perry Bowater had a win there this year. _________________ And the senses being dulled are mine. |
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Pete Mooney E, Silver
Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 811 Location: Hanging on to Dudley Busser Halfway between Hell and back!
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Chrissylaa wrote: |
Will Scarlet wrote: |
Not that hard to become a first cat though, which still means no racing.
Dan McLay, still a junior, but can't ride his local road race league, despite only living 5 miles from Mallory, because he's a 1st cat. Do we really want lads who are still at school having to travel to the other end of the country so that they can get to ride a race? |
There must be a way around this because the Wyre Forest promotions at Stourport circuit allow 1st cat juniors to ride with 2/3rd cats.Perry Bowater had a win there this year. |
There is no 'BC legal' way round this, I got a lot of stick from BC when I allowed Cat 1 Juniors into the 3/4 cat race at Warwick a few years ago. |
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Tom Butcher E, Silver
Joined: 20 Aug 2003 Posts: 1575 Location: Derby
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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What's wrong with BC making more first cats - the only reason there aren't enough races for them is because there aren't enough of them to support a decent programme of races.
You don't want genuine first cats allowed to race 3/4s otherwise what's the point in having a category system. I say genuine - points earned in senior races - if they've given him a first cat licence partly on the back of points earned against juniors then it's a bit harsh on him. |
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Matteo E, Gold
Joined: 23 May 2003 Posts: 2640
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Good event, well organised.
Shame it was spoiled somewhat by horse riders on the course, and by riders who took the opportunity to attack at that moment. They were allowed to get away with it, while those of us that did the right thing and stopped were effectively then out of the race. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Matteomjb |
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Birdy Cat 1 Groupie


Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 127 Location: West Mids
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Big well done to Duncan Putman and all the Derby Mercury club members for a fantastic organised race.
Looked like a great circuit _________________ It never gets easier you just go faster |
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Aubisque Cat 1 Groupie


Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Posts: 123
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Agree, great course that.
Shame about 'horse-gate', not sure anyone meant it though, from where I was a little group was launching just at that point. I was right next to the horses as they started rearing and going backwards, had to make a call quickly and 4 riders had shot past me by then (one crashed into me as I slowed). I guess the motorbike marshall could have attempted to sort something...awkward. |
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maryhinge E, Silver

Joined: 05 Mar 2002 Posts: 1675 Location: work,work,work,home,home
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:42 am Post subject: |
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And the winner was.......? _________________ As Chris Carmichael would say in his training manual "What would Lance do?". Now we know! |
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Tom Butcher E, Silver
Joined: 20 Aug 2003 Posts: 1575 Location: Derby
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:51 am Post subject: |
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1st lap 26-16s 39.29 kph
2nd lap 26-33s 38.87 kph
3rd lap 26-26s 39.04 kph
4th lap 26-37s 38.77 kph
5th lap 27-02s 38.18 kph
6th lap 30-03s 36.34 kph including finishing climb
Total 2-42-59 excluding 1st half lap
Provisionally
1st Steven Guymer Raleigh RT
2nd Nathan Wilson Cottingham Couriers
3rd Ben Jacobs London Dynamo
4th Anthony Allan Macclesfield Wheelers
5th Jeff Vernon Birkenhead North End CC
6th Tony Workman Lancaster RC
7th Mark Wakeling Beeston RC
8th David Weir Cyclingbargains.com RT
9th Pete Johnson Derby Mercury
10th David Shackleton Cottingham Couriers
11th Stuart Murfin Ashfield RC
12th Jim Bryan Zepnet RC +41s
13th James Cambridge I-ride.co.uk
14th Paul Bell Peak RC
15th Joe Norledge Welland Valley CC
16th Nick Rylance Wakefield CC Exponential
17th Steve Ellis Rutland CC
18th Ian Holbrook Stone Wheelers CC
19th Paul Foston Langdale Lightweights
20th Edward Pickard Derby Mercury
21st Andy Young www.bassobikes.co.uk
22nd Paul Allen Wakefield CC Exponential
23rd Roy Sumner Port Sunlight Wheelers
24th Matt Blythe Team Nemesis GB
25th Josh Cole Sportscover Strategic
26th Robert Wallace Derby Mercury
27th Rupert Denny Team Nemesis GB
28th David Lowe Team Elite
29th Darran Shaw Stourbridge Velo
30th #83
Those two girls on horses had been warned about the bike race as I was marshalling at the Tutbury turn and had a chat with them early on - they actually promised us they'd take a different route and I think initially they did - but then returned on two other horses which seemed flighty even when they were talking to us.
We did warn them again but they must have decided to risk it - what can you do ? Even after the incident they were nearly on the course a second time but we'd picked up some of the bother on the CB radio and when we saw them coming back past us about 2 minutes before the leaders were due through on the last lap we suggested they might like to wait on the pavement with us until the race was over and this time they agreed. |
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maryhinge E, Silver

Joined: 05 Mar 2002 Posts: 1675 Location: work,work,work,home,home
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. _________________ As Chris Carmichael would say in his training manual "What would Lance do?". Now we know! |
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