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Steve McGinty Div 2 Pro
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Hans Datdodishes T de F Winner
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RIP. _________________ World Masters Drive HillClimb For Taureans Category C Champion 2013.
I'm a qualified coach. |
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Chrissylaa E, Gold
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3382 Location: On a hillside desolate.
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Andrew Ridsdale.
43 Years young.
RIP. _________________ And the senses being dulled are mine. |
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Tom Butcher E, Silver
Joined: 20 Aug 2003 Posts: 1575 Location: Derby
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Poor guy, sympathy to his family, same age as me, same hobby - makes you think. |
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Zarate E, Silver
Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 1925 Location: Your guess is as good as mine, I dunno.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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That's simply awful, respects to his family. Another life needlessly lost. When will CTT wake up and work out that these sort of courses (motorway in all but name) with long fast joining slip roads, and high speed traffic, need getting rid of, along with their ludicrous syetem of "standard" distances, focus on time instead of placing, etc.
I'm so sad for the poor guy, and so angry that this keeps happening whist CTT just seem to sit on their hands. _________________ Mexican underwater chili eating champion 1957
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Dogma Dave Div 1 Pro
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 6714 Location: God's Own County
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Thoughts and prayers are with his family
RIP ![Crying or Very sad](images/smiles/icon_cry.gif) |
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officer bob E, Gold
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 2173 Location: Up & down the M1
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Zarate wrote: |
That's simply awful, respects to his family. Another life needlessly lost. When will CTT wake up and work out that these sort of courses (motorway in all but name) with long fast joining slip roads, and high speed traffic, need getting rid of, along with their ludicrous syetem of "standard" distances, focus on time instead of placing, etc.
I'm so sad for the poor guy, and so angry that this keeps happening whist CTT just seem to sit on their hands. |
Agree wholeheartedly with above, CTT you need to act NOW, any dual carriageway that 'runs' straight off a motorway (A1M,M62 etc) is a definate NO.
Riders, you can help yourselves by not entering 'events' on these courses.
Sincere condolances to all those who knew Andrew _________________ I'm not a pedestrian,a cyclist or a motorist,I'm just a human being. |
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gazrichards E, Bronze
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 349 Location: bedfordshire
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is 2 fold as I see it.
Firstly the slip roads on dual carriageways (both getting on and off) are designed such that the traffic speed remains high, To get on you must use the slip road to get your speed up to 70mph ish and to get off you keep your speed at 70mph ish until you are on the slip road and then slow down.
a cyclist will travel across these slip junctions at 30mph ish and will take perhaps 10 secs to cross each junction which leaves them extremely vulnerable and makes it very dangerous. There is no real excuse for cyclists being there in a race situation (if just riding along a DC road as we are entitled to you could stop and check its safe or cross the slip road to always take the left hand side of the road).
secondly its the time chasing attitude of testers. if there wasnt a fascination with 19's or breaking the hour etc then there wouldnt be races on these roads.
The sometimes militant attitude of some riders that TTing is all about time chasing and our entitlement to race DC's and that spoco courses are no safer really isnt helping the situation.
Single carriageway courses have their own dangers and we all face these issues every time we ride a bike but at least with circuit courses ( all left turns) or quiet roads you are usually relying on human error to cause an accident rather than essentially making riders cross a 70mph road at 30mph ish which is always going to cause problems.
I wasnt going to post this on the TT forum but I think I will now as Id quite like to see the responses it gets! |
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officer bob E, Gold
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 2173 Location: Up & down the M1
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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gazrichards wrote: |
The problem is 2 fold as I see it.
Firstly the slip roads on dual carriageways (both getting on and off) are designed such that the traffic speed remains high, To get on you must use the slip road to get your speed up to 70mph ish and to get off you keep your speed at 70mph ish until you are on the slip road and then slow down.
a cyclist will travel across these slip junctions at 30mph ish and will take perhaps 10 secs to cross each junction which leaves them extremely vulnerable and makes it very dangerous. There is no real excuse for cyclists being there in a race situation (if just riding along a DC road as we are entitled to you could stop and check its safe or cross the slip road to always take the left hand side of the road).
secondly its the time chasing attitude of testers. if there wasnt a fascination with 19's or breaking the hour etc then there wouldnt be races on these roads.
The sometimes militant attitude of some riders that TTing is all about time chasing and our entitlement to race DC's and that spoco courses are no safer really isnt helping the situation.
Single carriageway courses have their own dangers and we all face these issues every time we ride a bike but at least with circuit courses ( all left turns) or quiet roads you are usually relying on human error to cause an accident rather than essentially making riders cross a 70mph road at 30mph ish which is always going to cause problems.
I wasnt going to post this on the TT forum but I think I will now as Id quite like to see the responses it gets! |
+1 _________________ I'm not a pedestrian,a cyclist or a motorist,I'm just a human being. |
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Lee World Champ
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Joined: 12 Jul 2002 Posts: 12612 Location: Hertfordshire
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's sad that even on a cycling forum, we quickly fall in to the culture of victim blaming.
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Zarate E, Silver
Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 1925 Location: Your guess is as good as mine, I dunno.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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No blame attached to the victim or anyone else, yet. But the people who are responsible for allowing the situation of DC courses with all the attendant slip road dangers need to take a hard look at themselves and what risks they are exposing riders to. A culture change from the top down and bottom up at the same time would wake up the middle management (district councils) to what they are actually doing. If they don't do something soon then I foresee TT's being much more heavily legislated, so it's much better that it gets done by the sport before more draconian conditions get in place.
Agree entirely with the ridiculous culture of time chaning - all of which is encouraged by media reports and the anachronism that is called the BBAR (which is obviously is not!).
How many good people have to die or get badly injured before the mesage gets through?? _________________ Mexican underwater chili eating champion 1957
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Hans Datdodishes T de F Winner
Joined: 28 Feb 2002 Posts: 28370 Location: On the Superior Forum with the cool kids
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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I suggest as starters that people write to this chap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mann_(politician)
and ask him to get time trials on the A1 in his constituency banned _________________ World Masters Drive HillClimb For Taureans Category C Champion 2013.
I'm a qualified coach. |
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officer bob E, Gold
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 2173 Location: Up & down the M1
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
I suggest as starters that people write to this chap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mann_(politician)
and ask him to get time trials on the A1 in his constituency banned |
fair point, but surely those in charge of CTT could stand up and make this 'bold' decision themselves !
Lee, no blame attatched to anyone as yet, and I know all incidents will never be avoided, but how many more avoidable injury/fatal collisions do you want before those alledgedly in charge, change the way Time Trials are run for the good of the sport.
I 'work' that bit of road and it is not the wisest place to hold an event, just because you can, doesn't mean you must, race on there.
Again condolances to all those who knew Andrew _________________ I'm not a pedestrian,a cyclist or a motorist,I'm just a human being. |
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Hans Datdodishes T de F Winner
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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officer bob wrote: |
Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
I suggest as starters that people write to this chap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mann_(politician)
and ask him to get time trials on the A1 in his constituency banned |
fair point, but surely those in charge of CTT could stand up and make this 'bold' decision themselves ! |
No point. If you want something doing, do it yourself _________________ World Masters Drive HillClimb For Taureans Category C Champion 2013.
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officer bob E, Gold
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
officer bob wrote: |
Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
I suggest as starters that people write to this chap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mann_(politician)
and ask him to get time trials on the A1 in his constituency banned |
fair point, but surely those in charge of CTT could stand up and make this 'bold' decision themselves ! |
No point. If you want something doing, do it yourself |
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John McC Moderator
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Nothing like a good old knee jerk reaction! _________________ John McClelland's victory in the motor paced event with Derek Marloe on the derny was a thing of beauty (Oldmanof) |
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Zarate E, Silver
Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 1925 Location: Your guess is as good as mine, I dunno.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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People are hardly jerking their knees when this happens over and over again.. An outdated culture of "times" and the attitude of "we can so we will use pseudo motorways because they are "fast"" will eventually be the demise of TT. Meanwhile a relatively young man dies and leaves a family in grief. How many more does it take, CTT? _________________ Mexican underwater chili eating champion 1957
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Hans Datdodishes T de F Winner
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I had a look on the testers board to check out their views on safety. Never seen so many clueless types in one place.
Its not rocket science - STOP CHASING ARTIFICIAL TIMES ON MOTORWAYS. They mean NOTHING. _________________ World Masters Drive HillClimb For Taureans Category C Champion 2013.
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:55 am Post subject: |
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I struggle with this race of truth concept. _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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DenHaag E, Gold
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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KJ wrote: |
I struggle with this race of truth concept. |
honestly? |
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