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qcscmh
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| I still use the Peter Keen 4 Zone system to record training. |
Me too. KISS.
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I use the 6 zone method, as it gives a better picture of what I have actually done - when I download my ride.
But still take in '4 level' terminology when telling people what Ive done.. KISS?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Training Zones |
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| qcscmh wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| qcscmh wrote: |
| I still use the Peter Keen 4 Zone system to record training. |
Me too. KISS. |
I'm not that way inclined Roy  |
Keep It Simple, Stupid.
Never overcomplicate; in fact, never add any complexity unless you have to. Remember the multi-million dollar NASA pen which wrote in zero gravity etc etc? The Russians used pencils.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Training Zones |
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I still use the Peter Keen 4 Zone system to record training.
Is this method still popular or have most people gone over to the 6 level system.  |
4 Zones is easier to use, but since I don't train much I opt for the 2 zone (sleeping and go like  levels) routine 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Training Zones |
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| joxster wrote: |
| qcscmh wrote: |
I still use the Peter Keen 4 Zone system to record training.
Is this method still popular or have most people gone over to the 6 level system. |
4 Zones is easier to use, but since I don't train much I opt for the 2 zone (sleeping and go like levels) routine |
I'm with you Joxster, cept I just do the sleeping bit  |
There was me think the wife was pi$$ed off with me and left a horses head/walrus on the *CENSORED*. 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Training Zones |
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| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| qcscmh wrote: |
| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
| qcscmh wrote: |
| I still use the Peter Keen 4 Zone system to record training. |
Me too. KISS. |
I'm not that way inclined Roy |
Keep It Simple, Stupid.
Never overcomplicate; in fact, never add any complexity unless you have to. Remember the multi-million dollar NASA pen which wrote in zero gravity etc etc? The Russians used pencils. |
You could use the binary method
1=on the bike
0=off the bike
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| If I ever get röünd to träining ägain I'll use the 6 zones. |
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I don't use the training zone thing. I just train at a heart rate of between 160 and 170, with the occasional anaerobic spring or climb.
I have heard of this zoned training, but never got round to reading up on it.
Is it really better than just training in 1 zone all the time? |
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I don't use the training zone thing. I just train at a heart rate of between 160 and 170, with the occasional anaerobic spring or climb.
I have heard of this zoned training, but never got round to reading up on it.
Is it really better than just training in 1 zone all the time? |
160-170 is not zone 1.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't mean zone 1. I meant only a single zone. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Billy Boy wrote: |
| scott wrote: |
I don't use the training zone thing. I just train at a heart rate of between 160 and 170, with the occasional anaerobic spring or climb.
I have heard of this zoned training, but never got round to reading up on it.
Is it really better than just training in 1 zone all the time? |
160-170 is not zone 1. |
He didn't say it was |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:18 am Post subject: |
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testers generally use 4 zones, roadies 6.
in my experience testers cant understand that zone 1 is actually training (even though you may need to do it for 6+ hours).
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What is this six zone training made up with 
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Crescenzo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| What is this six zone training made up with |
something like this:
R < 60%
Z1 60-65%
Z2 65-75%
Z3 75-82%
Z4 82-89%
Z5 89-94%
Z6 94-100%
Oh, apparently stay out of zones 3 and 4, they're the tester zones that don't do you any good... what most UK riders train at.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| Crescenzo wrote: |
| joxster wrote: |
| What is this six zone training made up with |
something like this:
R < 60%
Z1 60-65%
Z2 65-75%
Z3 75-82%
Z4 82-89%
Z5 89-94%
Z6 94-100% |
Narrow bands; I wonder how many know their heart rate maximum that accurately? And if that maximum can vary, as some say, how useful are such narrow bands anyway?
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| Oh, apparently stay out of zones 3 and 4, they're the tester zones that don't do you any good... what most UK riders train at. |
What does that term mean? Why don't they do you any good?
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Crescenzo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: |
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"tester zone" - just under or over your AT.
it's not endurance training and it's not stressing your body enough to improve significantly.
anyways, in my opinion if you're not good enough to finish an Elite race in this country it won't really matter what training you do.
i'd only recommend 6 zone training if you're a full time cyclist and you're on the bike every day.
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I use the 2 zone system
Zone 1 - Cheshire
Zone 2 - Derbyshire |
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