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| Go with every attack |
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| Only go with the winning attack |
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| Only go with every third attack |
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| Don't attack, wait for bunch sprint |
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| Don't attack, sit at back thinking of a good excuse for being crap |
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| Pretend its a TT and sit at the front then get wasted in the sprint |
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Rich Hill
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I think option 2 is fairly dumb... but I go with option 1...
If you are fit and have the measure of your fellow racers this shouldn't be a problem...
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| Ive said before, theres only 1 "sure" way to get in the winning break, and thats to start the break yourself |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:22 am Post subject: Re: A leading northerner who alighted to the south? |
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| South Yorks: All related, thick as $hit and got stuck in the ugly machine and was beaten with the next persons ugly stick too. |
You can tell John Tanner that at the Archer if you like 
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My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack!
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| My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack! |
but surely if you ride ths same way all the time, thats what you are training yourself to do ! Try attacking - you never know |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack! |
but surely if you ride ths same way all the time, thats what you are training yourself to do ! Try attacking - you never know |
I agree
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qcscmh
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| Stuart wrote: |
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| My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack! |
but surely if you ride ths same way all the time, thats what you are training yourself to do ! Try attacking - you never know |
I agree |
Can you sprint ? how many gallops have you won ? |
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Richard Lodge
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What about team tactics then, for any budding team managers out there.
Example - Tour of the Reservoir last weekend
Break goes early with 4 ReCyclings (none left behind) and 2 Planet X's (but Mark Lovatt chasing behind) - would you expect Planet X's to work/sit on/something else ?
I wasn't there so I don't know what they actually did, nor whether they knew how strong/weak Mark Lovatt might be on the day? Only info I have is the report in Cycling Weekly. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Lodge wrote: |
What about team tactics then, for any budding team managers out there.
Example - Tour of the Reservoir last weekend
Break goes early with 4 ReCyclings (none left behind) and 2 Planet X's (but Mark Lovatt chasing behind) - would you expect Planet X's to work/sit on/something else ?
I wasn't there so I don't know what they actually did, nor whether they knew how strong/weak Mark Lovatt might be on the day? Only info I have is the report in Cycling Weekly. |
You'd expect them to work. They'd rather be in a break than in a bunch and take their chances.
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| My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack! |
but surely if you ride ths same way all the time, thats what you are training yourself to do ! Try attacking - you never know |
I started working for my brother in a couple of races so wasn't worried about finishing just getting him in a good position near the end of the race. I found that even though I was doing loads of work I was able to recover and was still quite strong at the finish, stronger than I expected. This gave me confidence for when riding for myself. Like you say if I hadn't tried I would have never have known. |
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| qcscmh wrote: |
| Ive said before, theres only 1 "sure" way to get in the winning break, and thats to start the break yourself |
That'll be option 2 then 
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| Richard Lodge wrote: |
What about team tactics then, for any budding team managers out there.
Example - Tour of the Reservoir last weekend
Break goes early with 4 ReCyclings (none left behind) and 2 Planet X's (but Mark Lovatt chasing behind) - would you expect Planet X's to work/sit on/something else ?
I wasn't there so I don't know what they actually did, nor whether they knew how strong/weak Mark Lovatt might be on the day? Only info I have is the report in Cycling Weekly. |
You'd expect them to work. They'd rather be in a break than in a bunch and take their chances. |
Sit in.
It can't get better for the 4 ReCyclings; if they got away with no company at all, then the whole bunch would be chasing them. They will work hard to stay away, whether or not anyone's with them. Then when they're assured of staying away they'll start working the Planet Xs over, so the Planet Xs need to save their strength.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| sachs huret wrote: |
| My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack! |
but surely if you ride ths same way all the time, thats what you are training yourself to do ! Try attacking - you never know |
I agree |
Can you sprint ? how many gallops have you won ? |
I was agreeing with your point about varying your approach to racing. Doesn't matter 
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Roy Gardiner wrote: |
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| Richard Lodge wrote: |
What about team tactics then, for any budding team managers out there.
Example - Tour of the Reservoir last weekend
Break goes early with 4 ReCyclings (none left behind) and 2 Planet X's (but Mark Lovatt chasing behind) - would you expect Planet X's to work/sit on/something else ?
I wasn't there so I don't know what they actually did, nor whether they knew how strong/weak Mark Lovatt might be on the day? Only info I have is the report in Cycling Weekly. |
You'd expect them to work. They'd rather be in a break than in a bunch and take their chances. |
Sit in.
It can't get better for the 4 ReCyclings; if they got away with no company at all, then the whole bunch would be chasing them. They will work hard to stay away, whether or not anyone's with them. Then when they're assured of staying away they'll start working the Planet Xs over, so the Planet Xs need to save their strength. |
Sit in and the Recyclings would start attacking, one after the other making the Planet X's bring them back every time...
Better to get to the sharp end of the race before playing games.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Lodge wrote: |
What about team tactics then, for any budding team managers out there.
Example - Tour of the Reservoir last weekend
Break goes early with 4 ReCyclings (none left behind) and 2 Planet X's (but Mark Lovatt chasing behind) - would you expect Planet X's to work/sit on/something else ?
I wasn't there so I don't know what they actually did, nor whether they knew how strong/weak Mark Lovatt might be on the day? Only info I have is the report in Cycling Weekly. |
Lovatts not going as well as usual at the mo, so they will have just ridden and worried about the numbers later,
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Stuart wrote: |
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| My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack! |
but surely if you ride ths same way all the time, thats what you are training yourself to do ! Try attacking - you never know |
I agree |
Can you sprint ? how many gallops have you won ? |
I was agreeing with your point about varying your approach to racing. Doesn't matter |
In other words, zero
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| qcscmh wrote: |
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| My favourite tactic is to hang on for as long as possible and hope I make it to the line without getting involved in a bingle in the sprint. Can't think of a single time when I've had enough strength and energy to actually seriously consider putting in an attack! |
but surely if you ride ths same way all the time, thats what you are training yourself to do ! Try attacking - you never know |
I agree |
Can you sprint ? how many gallops have you won ? |
I was agreeing with your point about varying your approach to racing. Doesn't matter |
In other words, zero |
What has it got to do with you, clown?
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| In other words, zero |
What has it got to do with you, clown? |
We'll see who the clown is, when you come down to (or at?) Welwyn
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| What has it got to do with you, clown? |
That should be "What has it got to do with you, clown with a stick up your @rse?" |
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| What has it got to do with you, clown? |
That should be "What has it got to do with you, clown with a stick up your @rse?" |
What has it got to do with you clown, with a stick up tour @rse?
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