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Would you pay an extra £15 - £20 on your BC membership to see rolling enclosures for all Premier Calendar races? |
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No |
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mhgregor E, Bronze
Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 343 Location: Lichfield, Staffordshire.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject: Premier Calendar Rolling Enclosures. |
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Bigger fields, foreign teams, bigger UK teams, television, increased exposure, increased membership, snowball effect etc etc??? I would, without doubt! |
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NickB E, Silver
Joined: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 606 Location: Mallorca
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I vote yes because I want to race some next year and think it would be rather nice to have a road closed, although I will probbaly be behind the road closer for most of the race |
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mhgregor E, Bronze
Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 343 Location: Lichfield, Staffordshire.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Did I forget to mention safety...sorry? |
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Richard Kennedy Div 3 Pro
Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Posts: 3916
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I voted no, not because I'm necessarily against the idea, the rolling road closures work superbly, we used to have 2 police outriders every year for our club's 2-day and they contributed enormously to the safety of the event. BUT before coming up with ideas like this we need to see how much it would actually cost, rather than just say a notional £15-£20, and I'd also rather see the cost added to the entry fee of the Premier Calendar rather than the general membership fee, but this is likely to make the entry prohibitively expensive without serious sponsorship |
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Stuart Moderator
Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 16263 Location: Thorne
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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I would advocate sponsership for the series a la Pernod Super Cup etc _________________ 'What's up with her? I been hearing that she's been giving that stuff out to all them grafitti guys!' ' Yo, shut the :evil: up, Chico, man!' 'I'd paint 3 of those murals for some of that ass....' |
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racyrich2 E, Gold
Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 3123 Location: Essex
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Since in *CENSORED* we'll be paying next year for a compulsory police presence we'll know if a £30 entry fee is sustainable. I suspect not.
Cue usual comments re cost of bike versus cost of race. _________________ Rich |
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bonger Guest
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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No but i would pay that to have closed roads for the BTTC. They should make sure the whole mountain bike NPS series is UCI sanctioned before starting on anything else.
Can't they just put the entry up, i would expect to pay £50 to ride the premier series, espically if it had closed roads. |
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dockeca Div 2 Pro
Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Posts: 4741 Location: halfway up the South Downs - or halfway down the South Ups!
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Extra entry money would not generate enough income. 80 riders @ £50, would leave about £30 a rider to pay for closure, £2,400.
Which would not have covered the bill for many Premiers. If you need 6 motos and a command car, look at a total of around £400-£500 PER HOUR, with a minimum of at least 6 chargable hours (plus any preparation hours which may be deemed to be needed). This is for minimum cover, about £3,000. Add in a few static pointsmen at about £45 an hour (another £470 each), plus the NEG costs to support the police effort once the traffic gets stopped, plus temporary road closaure costs (council notices in public press), which adds another £3,000 or so.
The best estimate works out at around £7,000 per day of racing.
The add in the higher prize money which is justified at this level of racing, and all the other promotion costs, and look at about £15,000 upwards.
You would need 100 riders to pay £100 entry to even begin to cover this, and even big triathlons can't get away with this much, for much more event and free goodies (average around £50-60).
The only answer is a substantial sponsorship package for the series.
By substantial I mean about £20,000 per race, so 9 premiers and the national championship, a cool £*CENSORED*.
Any leads, anyone? I'm happy to sell/negotiate for close to nothing, if it solves the problem, as I do it for a living in a different sphere. _________________ Doc
"Any views expressed are entirely my own and not representative of any organisation of which I may or may not be a member. Unless I say otherwise."
"A Libertarian Crackpot" H.Peel |
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De Rosa World Champ
Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Posts: 10485
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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dockeca wrote: |
Extra entry money would not generate enough income. 80 riders @ £50, would leave about £30 a rider to pay for closure, £2,400.
Which would not have covered the bill for many Premiers. If you need 6 motos and a command car, look at a total of around £400-£500 PER HOUR, with a minimum of at least 6 chargable hours (plus any preparation hours which may be deemed to be needed). This is for minimum cover, about £3,000. Add in a few static pointsmen at about £45 an hour (another £470 each), plus the NEG costs to support the police effort once the traffic gets stopped, plus temporary road closaure costs (council notices in public press), which adds another £3,000 or so.
The best estimate works out at around £7,000 per day of racing.
The add in the higher prize money which is justified at this level of racing, and all the other promotion costs, and look at about £15,000 upwards.
You would need 100 riders to pay £100 entry to even begin to cover this, and even big triathlons can't get away with this much, for much more event and free goodies (average around £50-60).
The only answer is a substantial sponsorship package for the series.
By substantial I mean about £20,000 per race, so 9 premiers and the national championship, a cool £*CENSORED*.
Any leads, anyone? I'm happy to sell/negotiate for close to nothing, if it solves the problem, as I do it for a living in a different sphere. |
You also need to take into account Doc's bar bill if you get him up there the night before |
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Zeco2 E, Gold
Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2190 Location: Prickwillow
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest that circa 200 riders per event should be the target. Anyone out of contention to be pulled out. Can be done, should be done. In fact, it is done in the lands where where common sense prevails. _________________ The British Monarchy = Institutionalised Privilage |
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Matt Clinton Div 1 Pro
Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 7868 Location: rarely logging in.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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dockeca wrote: |
The only answer is a substantial sponsorship package for the series.
By substantial I mean about £20,000 per race, so 9 premiers and the national championship, a cool £*CENSORED*.
Any leads, anyone? I'm happy to sell/negotiate for close to nothing, if it solves the problem, as I do it for a living in a different sphere. |
Royal Dutch Shell make that much profit in about 11secs, I'm sure they can afford it. _________________ http://www.facebook.com/MikeVaughanCyc
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stretch armstrong Div 3 Pro
Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 4350 Location: Doncaster (sleaze capital o the north)
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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dockeca wrote: |
The only answer is a substantial sponsorship package for the series.
By substantial I mean about £20,000 per race, so 9 premiers and the national championship, a cool £*CENSORED*.
Any leads, anyone? I'm happy to sell/negotiate for close to nothing, if it solves the problem, as I do it for a living in a different sphere. |
exactly the reason why BC has to make some kind of investment now in order to make the premier calendar a marketable product. _________________ lector benevole absit invidia
Putting the dross back in Clay Cross (RT) |
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Tom Butcher E, Silver
Joined: 20 Aug 2003 Posts: 1575 Location: Derby
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I think another £20 on membership is getting towards a figure where occasional racers are going to look at it at the start of the season and think they wont bother getting a licence/membership. |
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Max Drury E, Silver
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1542 Location: Drury Lane
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Tom Butcher wrote: |
I think another £20 on membership is getting towards a figure where occasional racers are going to look at it at the start of the season and think they wont bother getting a licence/membership. |
Agreed...it's almost there now!
The BCF tell us what value for money our licences are and how much cheaper they are than countries abroad....what they don't tell you is, if you raced in Belgium most of your entry fee is a deposit, for the number, and it costs you only a pound or two to race. In addition, you could race just about every day of the week from feb to oct if you wanted! _________________ Women are like dog doo
The older they are, the easier they are to pick up. |
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Emyr42 Div 3 Pro
Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 4298 Location: Bolton
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I'll be a student in september, and if it goes up, I'm gonna have to seriously consider looking for a sponsor or a sponsored club... |
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Mossy E, Silver
Joined: 19 Nov 2002 Posts: 1610 Location: Dumfries-Bonnie Scotland
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Tom Butcher wrote: |
I think another £20 on membership is getting towards a figure where occasional racers are going to look at it at the start of the season and think they wont bother getting a licence/membership. |
exactly. And why should an occassional/would be racer necessarily have any interest whatsoever in the premier calendar series? Charge a bigger entry fee for the spectators in the grandstands.
Politicians reckon they are all for encouraging people into sport and for promoting sport. prem calendar also potential boost for local tourism (and national tourism for that matter). Police should be told to only charge the actual extra cost of policing bike races ( as against not doing it) rather than the standard rates which include for overheads, vehicle depreciation, their insurance costs etc etc . this would reduce the cost to about one third for a kick off.
But the priority for BC should be to get occassional racers to race more often and more people to race occassionaly. Do that and sponsorship (and filled grandstands) for Prem C events might follow.
How many Prem Cal events are there? more than half a dozen is too many at the present time. _________________ Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the
rghit pclae. |
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Mossy E, Silver
Joined: 19 Nov 2002 Posts: 1610 Location: Dumfries-Bonnie Scotland
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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rhodopsin wrote: |
Emyr42 wrote: |
I'll be a student in september, and if it goes up, I'm gonna have to seriously consider looking for a sponsor or a sponsored club... |
or you'll have to drink less |
The government should make available low interest loans to anyone taking out a BC licence to be paid back with 10% of all your prizemoney, and written off if not paid back when you reach fifty. _________________ Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the
rghit pclae. |
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bonger Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Emyr42 wrote: |
I'll be a student in september, and if it goes up, I'm gonna have to seriously consider looking for a sponsor or a sponsored club... |
If you are good enough to get something for free why don't you do that whatever the price of membership and licence? |
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