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track nuts or allen key bolts
track nuts
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Kennedy wrote:
monk wrote:
legro wrote:
oooooooh a family tiff
never seen a tiff on vr before ....

how unique

Laughing come off it Monk, you've got a younger brother too. You must know that a real tiff looks much worse than this!!
mine are 4 and 10 years younger and know they'll get a kicking if they start ought

I don't think I'd be the only one paying to see you try to kick sbf 's butt
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone made allen keys that are as torue resistant as a campag spanner, I'd consider using allen bolts.

as it is, I'm too concerned about bending my brother's allen keys, and having my head bitten off.

also, Record LF track hubs won't take allen bolts. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and i used to be quicker than him in flying 200 and prob still quicker in a kilo as he blows after 350m! lmao
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emyr42 wrote:
If someone made allen keys that are as torue resistant as a campag spanner, I'd consider using allen bolts.

as it is, I'm too concerned about bending my brother's allen keys, and having my head bitten off.

also, Record LF track hubs won't take allen bolts. Wink


The whole point of allen-bolts is that they are designed to be over-torque resistant IIRC
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you stick to a campag spanner track nuts are basically impossible to overtighten. it's only when you go to longer spanners you become able to trash nuts. And only if you go away from the hex socket (as per campag spanner) that you have any risk of rounding the nuts. 15mm nuts are however very easy to find a compatible spanner for in times of need (e.g. out training)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Track Nuts everytime, even the club disc got modified to take track nuts. allen key bolts are ok on the front, but a pain if you are doing race service, it's an extra tool required.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a track nut.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Campag track nuts - £10 EACH Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quality engineering, mate.

even a campag spanner's upwards of £15
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emyr42 wrote:
quality engineering, mate.

even a campag spanner's upwards of £15

you go the wrong shops emyr Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had a problem with Zipp alan key fixings as the cups have a large diameter to stop them twisting in the frame. Would prefer nuts though!

I replace the alan key screws if they start to become rounded - cost about 20p each rather than £10 each for Campag nuts!!!

If you keep the threads and under the screw head lightly lubricated with copper-ease or similar then you don't need as much torque (which damages heads and keys!), to achieve the required clamping force - It also stops that awful 'graunching' noise Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menkalist wrote:

I replace the alan key screws if they start to become rounded - cost about 20p each rather than £10 each for Campag nuts!!!


But campag nuts + campag spanner = no rounding
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I replace the alan key screws if they start to become rounded - cost about 20p each rather than £10 each for Campag nuts!!!


But campag nuts + campag spanner = no rounding


It's the muppets that use pedal spanners and open ended spanners that cause nut rounding.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bally wrote:
Campag track nuts - £10 EACH Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
Emyr42 wrote:
quality engineering, mate.

even a campag spanner's upwards of £15
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I replace the alan key screws if they start to become rounded - cost about 20p each rather than £10 each for Campag nuts!!!
But campag nuts + campag spanner = no rounding
It's the muppets that use pedal spanners and open ended spanners that cause nut rounding.
Are Campag track nuts a standard size? I presume they must be - in which case a standard socket would do the job? With no danger of rounding?

Just interest, I don't own a track bike...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roy Gardiner wrote:
Are Campag track nuts a standard size? I presume they must be - in which case a standard socket would do the job? With no danger of rounding?

Just interest, I don't own a track bike...


15mm, just like the rest.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course they are a standard size..... a fool & his track nuts are easily parted!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PNuT wrote:
of course they are a standard size..... a fool & his track nuts are easily parted!
Not if they're done up tight.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roy Gardiner wrote:
Are Campag track nuts a standard size? I presume they must be - in which case a standard socket would do the job? With no danger of rounding?


campag track nuts are 15mm.

would you want to have to lug around the weight of a socket set in your bag?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emyr42 wrote:
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...a standard socket would do the job? With no danger of rounding?
campag track nuts are 15mm.

would you want to have to lug around the weight of a socket set in your bag?
Just asking.

I'm such a ham-handed mechanic that I would always use a socket rather than a spanner, since with a socket even I can't get it wrong. But with modern road bikes, praise the Lord, one can do almost everything with 3 or 4 Allen keys.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of the downside with sockets, comparwed to a campag spanner if the off set of the handle. part of the reason campag spanners wont round nuts is because the handle is closely aligned, laterally, with the nut. Most sockets however off set the handle by at least the depth of the socket, sometimes more, meaning the handle force is an inch or more *CENSORED* from the nut. This *CENSORED* leads the socket to begin trying to twist on the nut and begins the rounding process, the twist will increase with either narrower nuts, rounded nuts, or extra tight nuts. The differences are slight and i happily use whatevers to hand but at a push I'd say you're least likely to round a track nut by using a campag spanner.
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