Should BC object to the latest legacy plans?

[Plurien]

Precisely.

The stuff about the lack of any guaranteed view of the plans is widely echoed by all who've tried to read the whole thing. Plans weren't available in libraries, the website crashes your browser; if it's working at all; and the planning office won't send out CD-ROMs, though they don't tell you that.

This implacable machine of the Olympic planning needs resolute resistance on its radar, or it just keeps on rolling.

- Are other people worried where it's all going for London as a whole?

[Hans Datdodishes]

[Plurien]

You don't seem to be very public-spirited Hans. There are wider implications of what's been going on and there are very definite detrimental effects on our sport.
It's not whining to do something about that.

The words are certainly backed by research, actions and a willingness for more. Fair enough if nothing had been done by the 'whiners' and nothing had been achieved for the sport, but as you say, you're looking forwards to riding on Hog Hill and you're looking forwards to the legacy circuit - neither of which would be there for you without the 'whining'.

Same goes for Herne Hill, Surrey RRL and as for Mike at Penshurst well he's had all kinds of battles with authority for your riding pleasure.

So just you keep on turning up at events and paying for your ride. Leave others to sort it all out for you...

[Ridley]

[Hans Datdodishes]

[ldncycle]

[quote="Hans Datdodishes"]

I am. Thanks to Brian Cookson and his team, they do a wonderful job across the country[/quote]

How come Brian doesn't want to answer the questions relating to the users of eastway?

Olympics and the tour are fantastic, can't wait.
Except Eastway's gone, I won't be able to do Beastway and the road circuit is going to be flanking the A12. and puh-lease don't use Hog Hill again, the funding isn't guarenteed.
My national body is pretty much asking me to trust them to sort it out as they have done all along, but their track record over Eastway has been pretty dire.
Have absolutely no confidence in them in this regard. The EUG on the other hand..... for the users by the users.

[KJ]

[ldncycle]

[Plurien]

It's not the toughest question to answer:

"What's your one thing that BC has done for Eastway's riders since 2003?"

though it is true there is a list of things which have been done by users that they could reasonably have expected to share with BC as common interest.

Users would just like to know what BC has done to give some substance to the claims being made in statutory procedures to be representing the community which used Eastway for so many years.

If BC has done things to represent the interests of users it should be absolutely no problem for Brian to make fulsome answer - do you agree KJ?

If, on the other hand BC has done nothing to represent the interests of users, it should resist the temptation to pass itself off as the body which does represent them in the planning procedures. That's all.

[Ridley]

[Plurien]

You'd have to ask TLI. It's public knowledge that TLI has been making its own arrangements and getting on fine. For instance;-
http://www.londoncyclesport.com/forum/forummessages/mps/dt/1/UTN/294/V/6/SP/ (8th posting)

Plus there seems to be something brewing for TLI at North Weald - all done on their own initiative and expense, nothing to do with EUG which exlicitly states it is independent of such organisations.

You could try a web search, like I just did and came up with
http://www.theleagueinternational.com/londonhomecounties.htm

Proactive and positive contributions most welcome, particularly for racers who are presently without any replacement facility for BC events.

[Hans Datdodishes]

I managed to get my personal views on the circuit lodged before the deadline yesterday, thanks to the London guys for spurring me on to make the effort
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World Masters Drive HillClimb For Taureans Category C Champion 2013.

I'm a qualified coach.

[Brian Cookson]

Thanks to all those who have posted supportive messages. It is encouraging that BC's position on this matter is quite clearly understood by most of those people who have taken the time to read the statements and think about the matter. It is also clear that most people find the approach of Plurien counter-productive. Maybe there's a message in there for you Michael.

Oh and of course I'm not going to answer your silly "question" Michael. You know very well that whatever I say, you will follow it with a 3,000 word rant explaining why what I say is nothing to do with BC, or not relevant to the matter, or only happened because EUG or some other body, or you personally, or someone you read about on the internet, or a bloke you once waved to, did something that was nothing to do with BC. I wasn't born yesterday.

Give it a rest now and let's all get on, in the way we each feel best, with the business of ensuring that we do actually get the legacy facilities that we all want, preferably without the abuse.

Brian.

[JohnC]

[Trevor Reade]

[Hans Datdodishes]

[Trevor Reade]

[JohnC]

[Plurien]

Brian
Sitting at the top of this 'rant' is a poll. Ok it's not a truly objective measure, but there's been consistently around the ten percent mark in agreement with the policy adopted by BC not to object. I'm not sure if you're thanking the ten percent who are supportive as a 'persecuted minority' or the abstainers or the ones who are supportive of the idea of doing something - this one thing at this most important time - in favour of Eastway's riders.

The 'silly "question"' you've been unable to answer was simply a request to give one thing that BC has done for Eastway's riders since 2003 - Or you would have been on it pretty quick and quite right too.

Face up to it Brian, this has not been BCs finest hour. You're left with a bunch of members who want to see you join them for the strength and unity of purpose. You must see that cycle sport needs to secure the step on from Hog Hill which had to be secured by riders entirely without support from BC. You can do oppose and it won't compromise your relationship with the ODA - even the most informed opponents of the tactics in this thread agree on that.

Lastly, read back through the postings and see who's been abusive. Abuse is not to be confused with debating points and information. Like I said, when you're going for the man, you're really not getting to the argument.

....and there I think we will have to leave it.

[Hans Datdodishes]