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Eastway & Olympic legacy shenanigans, do you care?
yes
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no
15%
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i would be more sympathetic if it wasn't being rammed down my throat everyday.
51%
 51%  [ 46 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: do you care about londoners being swizzed out of a circuit? Reply with quote

well, and john & plurien you can only vote once - no registering under different names Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As somone whos supported BC through thick and thicker,to me its thick to think I might be swayed now.But then a little birdie said to me that Hugh Cant has dropped his lucrative ad campaign with 57 varieties of courtesy to photographers.Im leaning towards the I dont know if I care corner which may be crowded.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what i hear, down there they can race for points almost every evening with some evenings with more than one race. Where i live you're lucky to get a race within a 50 mile radius once a weekend, never mind every evening.

I don't really know the situation too well down there, but i don't think they're that badly off for race circuits.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliCarr wrote:
From what i hear, down there they can race for points almost every evening with some evenings with more than one race. Where i live you're lucky to get a race within a 50 mile radius once a weekend, never mind every evening.


Well, you know the answer to that then. Rolling Eyes

When I started racing at 17, the majority of road races were limited to 40 riders. My club had never promoted a race and we were regularly getting our entries returned. The next year, I organised a race for 1/2/3 cats followed up with another five events in 1962, including one for Independents (semi-pros). The were no organisers' seminars in those days, just 'Hints to Promoters' in the BCF Hanndbook.

Dave Orford, when competing as an Independent, also made the effort to provide events for himself and his contemporaries by organising a series of races.

Admittedly a bit more is involved now but the solution is with you.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From what i hear, down there they can race for points almost every evening with some evenings with more than one race. Where i live you're lucky to get a race within a 50 mile radius once a weekend, never mind every evening.

I don't really know the situation too well down there, but i don't think they're that badly off for race circuits.



Move down south!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AliCarr wrote:
From what i hear, down there they can race for points almost every evening with some evenings with more than one race. Where i live you're lucky to get a race within a 50 mile radius once a weekend, never mind every evening.


Well, you know the answer to that then. Rolling Eyes

When I started racing at 17, the majority of road races were limited to 40 riders. My club had never promoted a race and we were regularly getting our entries returned. The next year, I organised a race for 1/2/3 cats followed up with another five events in 1962, including one for Independents (semi-pros). The were no organisers' seminars in those days, just 'Hints to Promoters' in the BCF Hanndbook.

Dave Orford, when competing as an Independent, also made the effort to provide events for himself and his contemporaries by organising a series of races.

Admittedly a bit more is involved now but the solution is with you.

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I know thats a possibility and if i had a bit more time i would like to try and organise a race in the future.

But what i was trying to say was that there are plenty of race circuits down south.

It's alot easier to organise a race on a ready made circuit than on a road with traffic.... i think
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole point being that whilst we may have use of MOD land, motor circuits and Hillingdon, the levels of congestion in the south-east do not make it viable to use a circuit less than 50 miles away as the crow flys as you may not get there before the race is over.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the race is in the evening at a circuit in the direction of the general flow of city traffic leaving London then you really are in for the long haul.
Ironically, a circuit like Eastway that was pretty central was pretty easy to get to if you lived out of east London, travelling against the flow of the evening traffic is not to bad.
No good if you work in London trying to leave. And then, if there is an accident....... well. One time driving back from Europe, once I hit the M25 it took over 2 hours to get round a few junctions and make it into central London. It all shuts down.
Has to be seen to be believed.

Anyway, don't be lulled into a sense that we are complacent about what we had in regard to Eastway, it is precisely because we know how good it was that we want to get it back, this campaign has been going on for years before the closure.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not alone there alicarr 140 mile round trip tonight to get jr a ride theres nothing near to nottingham other then mallory and thats only once a week for youths i belive and few tts but road racing feck all
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

admittedly, i know very little about the situation as i don't race and live up norf, however, if cyclists in this country have had another venue taken from them, of course it will impact on the national level of the sport and is a concern.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see there's a new circuit on the surreyleague calendar:
londoncyclesport wrote:

Mercedes-Benz World Series
One more new series for 2007 is the Mercedes-Benz World Series. There will be only 5 events in this series all taking place on Thursday evenings with the 1st event on May 31st. Racing for youths will start at 18:30 with racing for E/1/2/3/4 category riders starting at 19:00.

Mercedes-Benz World at Brooklands can be found near Weybridge in Surrey.

Does anyone have anymore details of this (does it go up and down the banking? Smile )
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Des wrote:
The whole point being that whilst we may have use of MOD land, motor circuits and Hillingdon, the levels of congestion in the south-east do not make it viable to use a circuit less than 50 miles away as the crow flys as you may not get there before the race is over.


I think we are lucky to have Hillingdon so close

those who have to travel over form the east are not so lucky
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliCarr wrote:
From what i hear, down there they can race for points almost every evening with some evenings with more than one race. Where i live you're lucky to get a race within a 50 mile radius once a weekend, never mind every evening.

I don't really know the situation too well down there, but i don't think they're that badly off for race circuits.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, given the number of facilities that will be in place later this season and post olympics, thanks to BCs policy of quietly carrying out the negotiations in the background
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was the only one in inner London accessable by bike to locals and people in most of the metropolitan area. Hillingdon is already at full capacity. Betteshanger, quicker to get to Mallory, mercedes Circuit - new this year and 5 events only, Crystal Palace not overly accessable and not available when it rains due to H & S. MoD Chertsey Not accesable from the East - ltd usage. Eelmore Hampshire...

Although I could go on I 'm sure you get the point Jim. When I lived in the black country it was feasable for me to drive over to Mallory on a Tuesday evening and get back at a reasonable time, something that is impossible to do in the SE
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Des wrote:
It was the only one in inner London accessable by bike to locals and people in most of the metropolitan area. Hillingdon is already at full capacity. Betteshanger, quicker to get to Mallory, mercedes Circuit - new this year and 5 events only, Crystal Palace not overly accessable and not available when it rains due to H & S. MoD Chertsey Not accesable from the East - ltd usage. Eelmore Hampshire...

Although I could go on I 'm sure you get the point Jim. When I lived in the black country it was feasable for me to drive over to Mallory on a Tuesday evening and get back at a reasonable time, something that is impossible to do in the SE


Will not the temporary facilities by definition be more accessible for other people who couldn't have reached Eastway, ie all those people who live off the EUGs parochial radar in the satellite towns round the M25?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm please can I draw your attention to the result of the poll? Wink Embarassed so STFU, please. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hans Datdodishes wrote:
Des wrote:
It was the only one in inner London accessable by bike to locals and people in most of the metropolitan area. Hillingdon is already at full capacity. Betteshanger, quicker to get to Mallory, mercedes Circuit - new this year and 5 events only, Crystal Palace not overly accessable and not available when it rains due to H & S. MoD Chertsey Not accesable from the East - ltd usage. Eelmore Hampshire...

Although I could go on I 'm sure you get the point Jim. When I lived in the black country it was feasable for me to drive over to Mallory on a Tuesday evening and get back at a reasonable time, something that is impossible to do in the SE


Will not the temporary facilities by definition be more accessible for other people who couldn't have reached Eastway, ie all those people who live off the EUGs parochial radar in the satellite towns round the M25?


Timothy, I have been talking about the Legacy plans for Eastway, not the interim provision, which I do appreciate must by necessity involve some compromise.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I carer about this nearly as little as I care about:
legro's shed,
how far tommo and steve p lasted on the previous sunday without getting blasted,
kj's holiday location,
what are the best wheels for a rider of Xkg thats cost Y punds to buy and are used in a,,b and C races,
anything Tony Bell has ever done or is going to do (namely watch corrie and whinge about politics)
why bc is best/ worse or neither (apparently its unexpected that different people have different views on this, go figure)
how fast a certain course is at a certain time of day,
who is this pic of
which mp3 player is best,
lets just have pics of fit chicks, dirty chicks, proper racing stuff , dirty jokes and usefull technical (cycling and non cycling) advice, not no mark sh14 kickers whittering on about absolutely nothing.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So go play on another forum then Wink Very Happy One where they talk sense . I can recommend Cycling Weekly or the London Cycle Sport.
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