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So, in summary, he's got a big engine but is as thick as mince? |
So I was right, he needs to be testing, they sound the perfect attributes!! 
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Des
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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So, in summary, he's got a big engine but is as thick as mince? |
So I was right, he needs to be testing, they sound the perfect attributes!! |
Or Triathlon
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Adam
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Matt will mind be talking about his cycling ability, so here goes a brief explanation:
Clinton is an animal, there are times where he'll sit on the front and pull breaks back because he doesn't know anything different. He has long sustained power, as Richard Kennedy suggested, but I can still beat him in a sprint.
Personally, I think the main reason Clinton hasn't exploited his power on the road yet is because he still has very little clue about tactics. He got a 3rd or 4th this year in an E12 race which he almost packed in half way through because he felt ill. On a basic level, he agreed to tow his team mate up to the break and just nailed it on the front, team mate couldn't keep up and Clinton ended up in the split to take a decent placing. That about sums him up.
It's also worth mentioning that not everybody has dreams of being a professional cyclist. Clinton went to France for a year, did OK, rode and finished the Tour of Alsace, but came back to the UK because he doesn't like it. He's got a degree and will probably get a reasonable job at some point (just working on the social skills), you can still win races and work 9-5, look at Ian Wilkinson.
He's also done a short 54min 25 miler on a road bike with tri bars and normal deep section wheels. |
So, in summary, he's got a big engine but is as thick as mince? |
In one, Sir.
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I don't think Matt will mind be talking about his cycling ability, so here goes a brief explanation:
Clinton is an animal, there are times where he'll sit on the front and pull breaks back because he doesn't know anything different. He has long sustained power, as Richard Kennedy suggested, but I can still beat him in a sprint.
Personally, I think the main reason Clinton hasn't exploited his power on the road yet is because he still has very little clue about tactics. He got a 3rd or 4th this year in an E12 race which he almost packed in half way through because he felt ill. On a basic level, he agreed to tow his team mate up to the break and just nailed it on the front, team mate couldn't keep up and Clinton ended up in the split to take a decent placing. That about sums him up.
It's also worth mentioning that not everybody has dreams of being a professional cyclist. Clinton went to France for a year, did OK, rode and finished the Tour of Alsace, but came back to the UK because he doesn't like it. He's got a degree and will probably get a reasonable job at some point (just working on the social skills), you can still win races and work 9-5, look at Ian Wilkinson.
He's also done a short 54min 25 miler on a road bike with tri bars and normal deep section wheels. |
So, in summary, he's got a big engine but is as thick as mince? |
In one, Sir. |
needs to get himself up to manchester track for a try out. |
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ColT
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam wrote: |
I don't think Matt will mind be talking about his cycling ability, so here goes a brief explanation:
Clinton is an animal, there are times where he'll sit on the front and pull breaks back because he doesn't know anything different. He has long sustained power, as Richard Kennedy suggested, but I can still beat him in a sprint.
Personally, I think the main reason Clinton hasn't exploited his power on the road yet is because he still has very little clue about tactics. He got a 3rd or 4th this year in an E12 race which he almost packed in half way through because he felt ill. On a basic level, he agreed to tow his team mate up to the break and just nailed it on the front, team mate couldn't keep up and Clinton ended up in the split to take a decent placing. That about sums him up.
It's also worth mentioning that not everybody has dreams of being a professional cyclist. Clinton went to France for a year, did OK, rode and finished the Tour of Alsace, but came back to the UK because he doesn't like it. He's got a degree and will probably get a reasonable job at some point (just working on the social skills), you can still win races and work 9-5, look at Ian Wilkinson.
He's also done a short 54min 25 miler on a road bike with tri bars and normal deep section wheels. |
So, in summary, he's got a big engine but is as thick as mince? |
Hmmmm.  |
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Was it from an old Poly?
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Billy Boy
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| Billy Boy wrote: |
| Adam wrote: |
I don't think Matt will mind be talking about his cycling ability, so here goes a brief explanation:
Clinton is an animal, there are times where he'll sit on the front and pull breaks back because he doesn't know anything different. He has long sustained power, as Richard Kennedy suggested, but I can still beat him in a sprint.
Personally, I think the main reason Clinton hasn't exploited his power on the road yet is because he still has very little clue about tactics. He got a 3rd or 4th this year in an E12 race which he almost packed in half way through because he felt ill. On a basic level, he agreed to tow his team mate up to the break and just nailed it on the front, team mate couldn't keep up and Clinton ended up in the split to take a decent placing. That about sums him up.
It's also worth mentioning that not everybody has dreams of being a professional cyclist. Clinton went to France for a year, did OK, rode and finished the Tour of Alsace, but came back to the UK because he doesn't like it. He's got a degree and will probably get a reasonable job at some point (just working on the social skills), you can still win races and work 9-5, look at Ian Wilkinson.
He's also done a short 54min 25 miler on a road bike with tri bars and normal deep section wheels. |
So, in summary, he's got a big engine but is as thick as mince? |
Hmmmm. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yer, from a Poly, you clown 
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Matt Clinton
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University of Leeds. 
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| University of Leeds. |
No excuse for being fick then, mush
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AlbertHerring
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You can have a brain the size of a planet and still be pathologically incapable of applying the smallest bit of common sense to the way you ride in a bike race.
That's my excuse, anyway (not that I need one, being fairly rubbish on purely physiological grounds too). I recommend riding cross, no tactics required. |
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Dave Griffiths
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[quote="AlbertHerring"]You can have a brain the size of a planet and still be pathologically incapable of applying the smallest bit of common sense to the way you ride in a bike race.
I would suggest that the opposite can apply, in that: some riders seem to have an innate sense of, for instance, picking the right moment to attack.
On the 'build point', I recall the great Pete Graham as not being stick thin AND being a more than fair road rider, as well as being a good bloke.
Most riders who, like Matt, have acheived a degree level education, are likely to consider a Pro Cycling career a secondary consideration to 'just enjoying their sport' but it should be possible to achieve further honours when you have such proven competitive ability |
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alexc
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With all due respect, and I was there and it was a cracking ride, but as webster said, 'it means nowt' henderson- cr@p road rider, dobbin- 'okay(ish) road rider in the hills. He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, and his consistency is amazing 12 wins from 12 rides is very good, but it does not mean he is the best climber in the country, he needs to get on a track and ride a seasons worth of premiers. and get a bit more savvy with the tictacs and when to use his reasonable power.
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| With all due respect, and I was there and it was a cracking ride, but as webster said, 'it means nowt' henderson- cr@p road rider, dobbin- 'okay(ish) road rider in the hills. He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, and his consistency is amazing 12 wins from 12 rides is very good, but it does not mean he is the best climber in the country, he needs to get on a track and ride a seasons worth of premiers. and get a bit more savvy with the tictacs and when to use his reasonable power. |
I did. Apart from Blackpool.
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Dave Griffiths
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| With all due respect, and I was there and it was a cracking ride, but as webster said, 'it means nowt' henderson- cr@p road rider, dobbin- 'okay(ish) road rider in the hills. He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, and his consistency is amazing 12 wins from 12 rides is very good, but it does not mean he is the best climber in the country, he needs to get on a track and ride a seasons worth of premiers. and get a bit more savvy with the tictacs and when to use his reasonable power. |
That all sounds very sensible to me, but I would suggest that you would need to at least be in a well run amateur team or a sponsored team to sustain such a season. So someone would need to give him a break and he would need to totally committ. Nothings easy, no matter how good you are. |
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| With all due respect, and I was there and it was a cracking ride, but as webster said, 'it means nowt' henderson- cr@p road rider, dobbin- 'okay(ish) road rider in the hills. He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, and his consistency is amazing 12 wins from 12 rides is very good, but it does not mean he is the best climber in the country, he needs to get on a track and ride a seasons worth of premiers. and get a bit more savvy with the tictacs and when to use his reasonable power. |
I did. Apart from Blackpool. |
sorry, didnt see the start lists just the top 10's in the comic
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| With all due respect, and I was there and it was a cracking ride, but as webster said, 'it means nowt' henderson- cr@p road rider, dobbin- 'okay(ish) road rider in the hills. He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, and his consistency is amazing 12 wins from 12 rides is very good, but it does not mean he is the best climber in the country, he needs to get on a track and ride a seasons worth of premiers. and get a bit more savvy with the tictacs and when to use his reasonable power. |
That all sounds very sensible to me, but I would suggest that you would need to at least be in a well run amateur team or a sponsored team to sustain such a season. So someone would need to give him a break and he would need to totally committ. Nothings easy, no matter how good you are. |
I thought he was.
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| He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, |
We were discussing this on the way back home afterwards - what would have been the outcome if say the Downing brothers or Malcolm Elliot had ridden? It'd be an interesting race, non?
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| He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, |
We were discussing this on the way back home afterwards - what would have been the outcome if say the Downing brothers or Malcolm Elliot had ridden? It'd be an interesting race, non? |
richardson, swift, house, fleeman, lloyd, he would still have been in the mix though.
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| With all due respect, and I was there and it was a cracking ride, but as webster said, 'it means nowt' henderson- cr@p road rider, dobbin- 'okay(ish) road rider in the hills. He has just beat the best riders who rode, and could have done no more, and his consistency is amazing 12 wins from 12 rides is very good, but it does not mean he is the best climber in the country, he needs to get on a track and ride a seasons worth of premiers. and get a bit more savvy with the tictacs and when to use his reasonable power. |
That all sounds very sensible to me, but I would suggest that you would need to at least be in a well run amateur team or a sponsored team to sustain such a season. So someone would need to give him a break and he would need to totally committ. Nothings easy, no matter how good you are. |
I thought he was. |
You're right of course but .... I was making the point that: any rider who has a distinct programme in mind has to find a way to fulfill that. I read of Matt being with KFS and now has the support of Vaughans Cycles and let's hope that, as well as a road programme, he can get the chance to try out the track, which I thought sounded promising and others, including yourself have also suggested worth a proper try out. |
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