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mho
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 Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
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Lee
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
What sort of crazy talk is that!
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| But, on reflection, you're probably right... |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Lee wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
What sort of crazy talk is that! |
I don't think Tucker is really into this time trialing lark.
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Tucker
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Lee wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
What sort of crazy talk is that! |
*slaps self in the face*
Sorry, I don't know what came over me.
Out of interest: can one consider the earth's rotation around the sun when computing a 25 time? If so, I did a 25 in ~0.83 seconds today on me fixie with a rucksack on - 'ave that! |
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Thomo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| Out of interest: can one consider the earth's rotation around the sun when computing a 25 time? If so, I did a 25 in ~0.83 seconds today on me fixie with a rucksack on - 'ave that! |
As a typical time trial is measured along the earths surface... then no. Otherwise you'd still be last as all the others would beat you by about ~0.01 second... 
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mho
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Lee wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
What sort of crazy talk is that! |
It's called talking in the language of the customer. If you were coming 200 miles round trip, staying over all in search of a pb on the fastest course in the country how would you feel if you have a completely wasted trip? |
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Lee
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| mho wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
What sort of crazy talk is that! |
It's called talking in the language of the customer. If you were coming 200 miles round trip, staying over all in search of a pb on the fastest course in the country how would you feel if you have a completely wasted trip? |
The clue that was addressing Tuckers post and not yours was when I quoted:
| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
Rather than your post of:
| mho wrote: |
Late roadworks on the Neath bank course is forcing a course change.
If you are traveling from away you might want to reconsider because the alternative is likely to be 4 minutes slower with no gift. |
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| But, on reflection, you're probably right... |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Thomo wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Out of interest: can one consider the earth's rotation around the sun when computing a 25 time? If so, I did a 25 in ~0.83 seconds today on me fixie with a rucksack on - 'ave that! |
As a typical time trial is measured along the earths surface... then no. Otherwise you'd still be last as all the others would beat you by about ~0.01 second...
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It doesn't matter what position I finished in, as long as I got under the second. |
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Davey C
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| Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| Thomo wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Out of interest: can one consider the earth's rotation around the sun when computing a 25 time? If so, I did a 25 in ~0.83 seconds today on me fixie with a rucksack on - 'ave that! |
As a typical time trial is measured along the earths surface... then no. Otherwise you'd still be last as all the others would beat you by about ~0.01 second...
Paul |
It doesn't matter what position I finished in, as long as I got under the second. |
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Robabank
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
Yer. I mean, picking a fast course to get a quick time would be like, er, trying to maximise your points score by entering a road race that wasn't open to riders with a higher licence category, or choosing a flat course if you can't climb. Ludicrous.
Incidentally, I did the math. Earth round the sun is a 25 in 1.36sec (approximately, assuming a round orbit). You must have been taking pace. Ban 'im. |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Robabank wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Surely it's the position on the day that counts, not how much of a ski slope the course starts with? |
Yer. I mean, picking a fast course to get a quick time would be like, er, trying to maximise your points score by entering a road race that wasn't open to riders with a higher licence category, or choosing a flat course if you can't climb. Ludicrous.
Incidentally, I did the math. Earth round the sun is a 25 in 1.36sec (approximately, assuming a round orbit). You must have been taking pace. Ban 'im. |
Dammit, I started with km and finished with miles. Shameful.
Also, your analogy is not remotely apt. |
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D'you reckon they worship Eddie Stobart?
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Robabank
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| Also, your analogy is not remotely apt. |
It's entering a race on certain assumptions which change before race day. Would you not wish to be informed in advance? Would you not be miffed if you'd entered a 2/3/4 race only to find a field full of Elites? Or if a spritely climber to find the course had been changed to a pan-flat airfield? Define your un-aptness. |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Robabank wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Also, your analogy is not remotely apt. |
It's entering a race on certain assumptions which change before race day. Would you not wish to be informed in advance? Would you not be miffed if you'd entered a 2/3/4 race only to find a field full of Elites? Or if a spritely climber to find the course had been changed to a pan-flat airfield? Define your un-aptness. |
If I was a spritely 2nd cat climber who thought like a tester, and I showed up to a 2nd cat hilly race ONLY TO FIND it was in fact an elite airfield race, I would be pleased as this would mean I would cover the total distance in less time, despite the fact I'd only finish 27th. |
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Thomo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Robabank wrote: |
| Define your un-aptness. |
You mentioned points... Tucker is unfamiliar with such things...
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Tucker
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Thomo wrote: |
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| Define your un-aptness. |
You mentioned points... Tucker is unfamiliar with such things...
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Factually inaccurate - next. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| Robabank wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Also, your analogy is not remotely apt. |
It's entering a race on certain assumptions which change before race day. Would you not wish to be informed in advance? Would you not be miffed if you'd entered a 2/3/4 race only to find a field full of Elites? Or if a spritely climber to find the course had been changed to a pan-flat airfield? Define your un-aptness. |
If I was a spritely 2nd cat climber who thought like a tester, and I showed up to a 2nd cat hilly race ONLY TO FIND it was in fact an elite airfield race, I would be pleased as this would mean I would cover the total distance in less time, despite the fact I'd only finish 27th. |
you wouldnt have got a ride coco.... it was a field full of elites
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Tucker
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| PNuT wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Robabank wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Also, your analogy is not remotely apt. |
It's entering a race on certain assumptions which change before race day. Would you not wish to be informed in advance? Would you not be miffed if you'd entered a 2/3/4 race only to find a field full of Elites? Or if a spritely climber to find the course had been changed to a pan-flat airfield? Define your un-aptness. |
If I was a spritely 2nd cat climber who thought like a tester, and I showed up to a 2nd cat hilly race ONLY TO FIND it was in fact an elite airfield race, I would be pleased as this would mean I would cover the total distance in less time, despite the fact I'd only finish 27th. |
you wouldnt have got a ride coco.... it was a field full of elites |
True - if I'd been not allowed to ride, then I would indeed be angry. However, I was working under the assumption that Robabank meant that whilst a number of elites would be riding, "full of elites" was actually just a turn of phrase. Maybe he could clarify? |
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Robabank
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Merthyr 25 on 9th June |
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| Tucker wrote: |
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| you wouldnt have got a ride coco.... it was a field full of elites |
True - if I'd been not allowed to ride, then I would indeed be angry. However, I was working under the assumption that Robabank meant that whilst a number of elites would be riding, "full of elites" was actually just a turn of phrase. Maybe he could clarify? |
As in "largely comprising". So, much like the tester who was hoping to achieve a quick time by riding an easy course and is disappointed by the course change, a roadie was hoping for a high placing by entering a race in which only the mediocre are accepted and then finds that they've let in talented riders too. Two fish, less than two kettles methinks. |
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