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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject: Any Nottingham races left? Reply with quote

I got asked the weekend if there was any BC races in Nottingham on open roads remaining. I couldn't think of any off the top of my head. A lot of local riders now consider Mallory and Darley as local, neither are in Nottingham or on open roads. I think this is the first year I couldn't think of any.

I feel sad for the youngsters and newcomers to the sport wanting to have a go at Road Racing.

Apologies to any clubs or organisers who have put on races that I couldn't think of.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a few LVRC and Velo 99 races for the coffin dodgers, but nothing under BC rules. Plenty of circuits on quiet roads in the Vale of Belvoir, but putting on a race on open roads is a logistical nightmare. You can run a race at Darley or Mallory with 5 people, but you need 25 to put one on the open road. A lot of clubs don't have 25 active members and those that do are mostly TT clubs with no interest in Road Racing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No road races in Nottinghamshire and still no proper track. Nottingham was formerly the world epicentre of cycling as epitomised in Alan Sillitoe's novel "Saturday Night and Sunday Morning".
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very small section of the Eagle Road Races at the end of the season creep into Nottinghamshire, majority of the circuit is in Lincolnshire.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The next question is what, if anything, do we do about this sorry situation?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although not on the open road there has been youth racing on a closed circuit at Thoresby Hall with racing for seniors to come in September being promoted by the Retford Wheelers.
As a relative newcomer to Nottingham, where are the open road circuits previously used and why did they stop?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maryhinge wrote:
Although not on the open road there has been youth racing on a closed circuit at Thoresby Hall with racing for seniors to come in September being promoted by the Retford Wheelers.
As a relative newcomer to Nottingham, where are the open road circuits previously used and why did they stop?


In relatively recent years that I can quickly remember on this side of town; Oxton Bank/Farnsfield, Oxton/Northgate, Flintham, Jacksdale etc. Before my time there was a circuit that finished on the top of Dorkitt Head. When I started in the late eighties it was possible to ride/race an evening time trial Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday all using the Bulcote Course for a start, Track League at Harvey Haddon on a Wednesday and Notts and Derby RR league one night in the week as well.

Numerous reasons account for the demise of the local racing scene from the legal side of ticking all the boxes to club members not getting involved in helping out etc.

I can't see how a local evening road race league, like the North Mids, could fail at the moment with the lack of anything else in the local area?

One thing for sure to me, is that there are more cyclists than ever in this area.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of Velo99 before - interesting.

I'm in Derby rather than Notts but it'd be good to have a list of courses that are still considered OK for racing on - I know when I was putting on races there was precious little choice locally and didn't Rodders have to cancel a GoSports event last year because of police objections about the circuit ? Was thinking about maybe putting something on next year but would rather do a different circuit for a change.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veloriders Chipper Series.

Marshall 1 event to ride the series. Cross club organization.

I've only organized lvrc, but I'd be happy to help out with BC races. If it meant that I could race a couple of proper on road local races.Smile

The circuit up to dorket head sounds bonkers. Any idea which way up / down?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Historic circuits that can no longer be used:

Calverton-Patchings Farm-Dorket Head- Bank Hill-Bonner Hill- calverton (now has 2 sets of traffic lights).

In fact I think you'd struggle now to find a viable circuit north of the River Trent in Central Notts nowadays.

Historic circuits that could still be used (mostly in the Vale of Belvoir):

Flawborough-Alverton-Kilvington-Shelton

Sibthorpe-Shelton (still useed for LVRC)

Hawksworth-Thoroton

Belvoir-Stathern

Plungar-Barkestone-Granby-Plungar
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maryhinge wrote:
A very small section of the Eagle Road Races at the end of the season creep into Nottinghamshire, majority of the circuit is in Lincolnshire.





Good old flat Eagle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see why you couldn't use the Oxton Bank - Saversick Lane - Halam - Farnsfield - White Post Island - North Gate circuit.

Plus the Oxton - North Gate - Salterford Lane - B6386 that Mapperley CC used for their evening league.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grantham is almost Nottinghamshire - theres a race there later this month.
Personally I thought the Oxton Bank circuit was dangerous due to residents cars on one part of the circuit
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

windymiller wrote:
Can't see why you couldn't use the Oxton Bank - Saversick Lane - Halam - Farnsfield - White Post Island - North Gate circuit.

Plus the Oxton - North Gate - Salterford Lane - B6386 that Mapperley CC used for their evening league.


I don't think the police would be too keen on us using the A614/A6097. Also lots of parked cars in Farnsfield.

The B6386 (Calverton Lane?) is quite narrow with lots of fast traffic, and I think there's a Car Boot on a Sunday around that area.

Another circuit I've remembered is the Norwell, Ossington, Laxton circuit. Minor roads with light traffic but quite wide and a decent surface for the most part.

Also, some scope for a circuit on the east side of the A1, north of Newark - around the Carlton/Sutton on Trent, Grassthorpe area?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norwell and the 'Silver Spoon' circuits are still viable,as is Staunton-Long Bennington

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Butcher wrote:
Never heard of Velo99 before - interesting.

I'm in Derby rather than Notts but it'd be good to have a list of courses that are still considered OK for racing on - I know when I was putting on races there was precious little choice locally and didn't Rodders have to cancel a GoSports event last year because of police objections about the circuit ? Was thinking about maybe putting something on next year but would rather do a different circuit for a change.


Perhaps a job for Jenny Gretton in her role as Regional Events Co-ordinator. Identifying and risk-assessing road race circuits in the locality? Also, looking at potential HQ's.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All

Developing the number of road race events across the East Midlands Region is a high priority for me as Regional Events Officer over the course of the next 3 years.

I am aware that historically we have had a very active road racing scene in the Region, which over the course of time has been reduced due to the loss of viable courses and a drop in the number of active and interested race organisers. Also, the perceived 'red tape' surrounding risk assessments and health & safety requirements together with the potential costs to an Organiser to use the National Escort Group (NEG) etc have meant that any new Organisers have been easily discouraged from coming forwards.

However, I am confident that this situation can be addressed and that we have the opportunity to turn this around and reinstate a regular program of British Cycling road races across the Region.

I am interested in hearing from anyone in the Region who is keen to get involved in Race Organisation and am here to assist all event organisers with advice, support and race equipment. My contact details are as follows; email: jennygretton'at'britishcycling.org.uk or mobile: 07930 229993

There are a number of different ways to approach the development of new events; either for individual Clubs to become involved in race promotion, &/or we take Windy Millar's suggestion and form an Organising Team that contains a combination of riders and volunteers from a number of different Clubs in the area to take this forward - which I would be happy to take a lead on. From there I would also be actively involved in the identification and risk assessment of the courses that could be used for these events.

In addition to this, I will be delivering a training course for new Road Race Organisers in September, the full details of which have gone out to all Club Contacts in the Region and to which I have had already received a very positive response.

I have also been involved with the development of a new NEG team for the East Midlands, which will mean that engaging this group on events in the Region will be more economically viable for Organisers in the future.

If anyone is interested in becoming involved with Race Organisation in the Region, or would like further details about the Organiser training course, or the NEG team please contact me direct.

Jenny Gretton
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave's Daughter wrote:
Hi All

Developing the number of road race events across the East Midlands Region is a high priority for me as Regional Events Officer over the course of the next 3 years.

I am aware that historically we have had a very active road racing scene in the Region, which over the course of time has been reduced due to the loss of viable courses and a drop in the number of active and interested race organisers. Also, the perceived 'red tape' surrounding risk assessments and health & safety requirements together with the potential costs to an Organiser to use the National Escort Group (NEG) etc have meant that any new Organisers have been easily discouraged from coming forwards.

However, I am confident that this situation can be addressed and that we have the opportunity to turn this around and reinstate a regular program of British Cycling road races across the Region.

I am interested in hearing from anyone in the Region who is keen to get involved in Race Organisation and am here to assist all event organisers with advice, support and race equipment. My contact details are as follows; email: jennygretton'at'britishcycling.org.uk or mobile: 07930 229993

There are a number of different ways to approach the development of new events; either for individual Clubs to become involved in race promotion, &/or we take Windy Millar's suggestion and form an Organising Team that contains a combination of riders and volunteers from a number of different Clubs in the area to take this forward - which I would be happy to take a lead on. From there I would also be actively involved in the identification and risk assessment of the courses that could be used for these events.

In addition to this, I will be delivering a training course for new Road Race Organisers in September, the full details of which have gone out to all Club Contacts in the Region and to which I have had already received a very positive response.

I have also been involved with the development of a new NEG team for the East Midlands, which will mean that engaging this group on events in the Region will be more economically viable for Organisers in the future.

If anyone is interested in becoming involved with Race Organisation in the Region, or would like further details about the Organiser training course, or the NEG team please contact me direct.

Jenny Gretton
Regional Event Officer - East Midlands



Nice one Jenny
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it true, that even the person/s doing the signing on has to be a BC member?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jenny wrote: " However, I am confident that this situation can be addressed and that we have the opportunity to turn this around and reinstate a regular program of British Cycling road races across the Region. "
100% agree with this. Many of the traditional courses have been "lost" because the traditional organiser simply lost the "will to live" and no one else took on the role or because the traditional organiser would not adapt to modern traffic conditions. Courses can be made safe, for example, by using NEG motos but organisers were unwilling to meet the cost. We need to review
existing and new courses in the light of modern conditions and available facilities; and work on the public perception of road racing. If you need an example, just look at the fantastic Rutland - Melton Classic Race.
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