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Would you enter a race if there were no prizes? |
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KJ T de F Winner
Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 26400
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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John McC wrote: |
PNuT wrote: |
i like racing regardless of prize money |
Agreed, although getting a prize for winning a serious event is always a nice bonus. |
A jersey or money? |
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John McC Moderator
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 24510 Location: Leafy Barnet
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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KJ wrote: |
A jersey or money? |
If I won a national/masters jersey, cash would be of no importance. _________________ John McClelland's victory in the motor paced event with Derek Marloe on the derny was a thing of beauty (Oldmanof) |
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grover Cat 1 Groupie
Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Lakes & Lancs
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Its much better to have the trophy on display in the changing rooms before the race then the winner gets to take it home on the day.
Something to show the missus when she asks why you are so late _________________ Kelly was good, but he never won on Scale Hall |
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Badger E, Gold
Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 2822 Location: Trying not to say 'basically'
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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John McC wrote: |
Badger wrote: |
we give out trophies and big ones too
but you have to go to the club dinner to pick it up |
Not true, as I won your McMullan Shield last year and got it on the day! Where is my dinner ticket? |
coz your special
you're welcome to come to our dinner, maybe in place of my wife _________________ mug source code table remote plate magazine gel |
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NS Guest
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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KJ wrote: |
John McC wrote: |
PNuT wrote: |
i like racing regardless of prize money |
Agreed, although getting a prize for winning a serious event is always a nice bonus. |
A jersey or money? |
A jersey!! If its anything like the one they gave that poor girl at the Womens 2 day to wear. No thanks.
I couldnt give a monkeys about trophies or money I just enjoy the competition.
Couldnt go to a chipper race and just ride round hoping I might get something if I'm lucky though. Either race to get in the break or race to help a team mate. |
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tommo Div 1 Pro
Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 6687 Location: Living the dream in Clay cross where else ?
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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yeah i got 4th at darleymoor 2 day and didnt get a penny _________________ Clay cross RT www.claycrossrt.co.uk
Don't Mess!
Only Northerners need apply
Sir Lord Tommo of Clay cross |
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De Rosa World Champ
Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Posts: 10485
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have always found it strange that we race for cash in cycling when many other sports have competition at a really high level for no prizes or fairly minor trophies. Rugby and football matches at club level spring to mind.
I wonder about prizes for Premier Calendar events as well. If some Premier Calendar events are in danger of folding because of the high cost of running them and now that we have essentially no pro class in UK and there are few full time bike riders riding the road why do we have to still have a significant cash prize list for Premier events? Probably because that is the way we have always done it. But I suspect you would still get the same number and quality of (UK) riders for a premier if there were no significant prizes. I am sure it would be an uncomfortable change but if it helped to keep such classic events as the Lincoln and Archer it would be worthwhile.
Anyway I am not qualified to talk about prizes. I can honestly say I don't think I have won anything at all except £15 at Birmingham Business Park a few years ago when I got 3rd as nearly all the others fell off. I tried to give it back but the organiser insisted I keep it - probably as he knew it was going to be the only thing I ever won on my bike in my life! |
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p*bongo E, Silver
Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1202 Location: In the woods with the bears
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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RussM wrote: |
NS wrote: |
I wonder what Matt Stephens spent his on the other week |
I thought he paid more than that in bribes to the two WW's in the break to let him have the win! |
Well you have to as there is no prize money... _________________ Follow me on twitter - @Mralibongo
Dolphins can sometimes bite. |
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joxster World Champ
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 11229 Location: Barfly, buy me a drink and I'll tell you a story
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Trophies, nah they just end up in the attic. Jerseys end up in the suitcase, in the attic (along with the medals).
It's got to be cash. I can't see JT racing for free either _________________ When offered the choice between the path of Desire and the path of Virtue I chose the path marked Diversion.
Programming is like 5ex, one mistake and you have to support it for life. |
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Pinarello Guest
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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John McC wrote: |
Badger wrote: |
we give out trophies and big ones too
but you have to go to the club dinner to pick it up |
Not true, as I won your McMullan Shield last year and got it on the day! Where is my dinner ticket? |
Funny that |
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Julian Mortel Cat 2 Groupie
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 77
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Riders are after the BC points - that's most important to them ??
Some cash is a nice bonus. _________________ BOOTS......................................................................................................................SPURS |
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ColT E, Gold
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 2157 Location: Tainan, Taiwan
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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De Rosa wrote: |
I have always found it strange that we race for cash in cycling when many other sports have competition at a really high level for no prizes or fairly minor trophies. Rugby and football matches at club level spring to mind. |
Quite agree - have played loads of football and cricket over the years before taking up cycling. Always payed me sub's, never won a penny; thought nothing of it.
Cash prizes in cycling - a nice bonus, I guess, but I'd still be out there racing if they didn't exist. _________________ http://tinyurl.com/4n4ed7r
http://fiftyyearsandcounting.wordpress.com/ |
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Iffacus Div 2 Pro
Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 5094 Location: Trying to make Lee look thin
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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If I only raced for money, I'd probably never enter an event.
I have only ever won money on one occasion for getting 2nd handicap on the E1/25, and think that only just covered the entry fee _________________ Murphy's Third Atmospheric Law of Bike Commuting is that the headwind you encounter on the way to work will shift 180 degrees in direction about 10 minutes before you decide to home. |
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Zeco2 E, Gold
Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2190 Location: Prickwillow
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Surrey League and SERRL riders race for points which are valued at the end of the season. BC points are just a distraction.
When amateurs were called amateurs (even if they weren't) , trophies and sets of cutlery and the like were often sold off (or pawned) by the winners. The BCF (and the NCU before it) had an agreement with the AAA and other major bodies that precluded the payment of cash prizes. Whereas now, in total contrast, some of our top athletes are coining it in.
Vouchers for cycle equipment were once the norm,usually donated by dealers, which were then 'bought' back. Equipment was donated and also bought back by the dealers. Simplex rod front changers were always making the rounds, listed in the prize lists, sold back to a dealer and then donated again. Mudguards and pedals were always popular.
A good event might boast a pair of sprints for the winner, a 'classic' might even offer a frame set. The BLRC adopted a more relaxed attitude and the brown envelopes were always in demand for amateur races whilst the 'Independents' were allowed to accept the cash.
I vividly remember an article in Jock Wadley's Sporting Cyclist featuring Haverhill's Mick Ward who had been racing in Belgium. The Belgians, we were told, paid out cash prizes (to at least the first twenty) and justified in their rules as off-setting the riders expenses. Many British races were still paying out to just the first three places (£3, £2, £1). Even the time trials awarded handicap prizes. Thereafter, any enterprising road race organiser would try to stretch out the prize 'money'.
Incidently, I once organised a 'free entry race' and still gave the usual prize list of the day (cash in envelopes). First thing the winners said was "you should have charged a fee and increased the prizes".
In total contrast, I once met with a potential sponsor for a pro' race and he very much liked the idea of giving just one prize of £1,000 to the winner. That was in 1967. I believe that was in fact common practiice 'down under' for events such as the 'Melbourne to Warnambool' (a marathon handicap race). Groups of riders formed a 'chop' to share the winnings. Our man eventually agreed to eight £25 primes in addition to the £1,000 but then his clients backed out. The race was actually screened by the Beeb. _________________ The British Monarchy = Institutionalised Privilage |
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joxster World Champ
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 11229 Location: Barfly, buy me a drink and I'll tell you a story
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Zeco2 wrote: |
In total contrast, I once met with a potential sponsor for a pro' race and he very much liked the idea of giving just one prize of £1,000 to the winner. That was in 1967. I believe that was in fact common practiice 'down under' for events such as the 'Melbourne to Warnambool' (a marathon handicap race). Groups of riders formed a 'chop' to share the winnings. Our man eventually agreed to eight £25 primes in addition to the £1,000 but then his clients backed out. The race wasactually screened by the Beeb. |
Best way to race, winner takes all. Makes for better racing, rode a few in oz like that and enjoyed it. _________________ When offered the choice between the path of Desire and the path of Virtue I chose the path marked Diversion.
Programming is like 5ex, one mistake and you have to support it for life. |
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ozydamo E, Bronze
Joined: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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well most of the races in the uk are nearly for free any way compared to the amount of nominations they recieve |
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Dastardly E, Silver
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 1791 Location: Lancashire
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Winning prizes was great as a schoolie - better than a paper round.
not really bothered now, but then I dont win much anyway.
Agree about the trophies being important. Getting a trophy with illustrious winners from the past engraved on gives an event heritage, and is a prize to be cherished. |
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scoobydoo Div 3 Pro
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 3879
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Would you enter a race if there was no prize fund? |
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RussM wrote: |
Would you enter a race if there was no prize fund?
How important is a few quid?
After a question below lets say £10 - £12 entry fee.
or £9 for a 10 lap crit! |
As a amature racer pionts is more important as it's your cat that go's down so no need for prizes. Enjoys the thrill of the race. |
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Billy Boy T de F Winner
Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 30726 Location: Not Aylesbury
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Points are pointless, and so is prize money unless it's 5 grand. _________________ "Well done, you are 100% absolutely without a shadow of a doubt spot-bollock-on correct." - Tucker
"Eating is not for wimps" - coal miner
"most of us don't have your brilliance." - John McC |
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scoobydoo Div 3 Pro
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 3879
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Billy Boy wrote: |
Points are pointless, and so is prize money unless it's 5 grand. |
If you want to keep in the same cat then pionts are needed as you have to get a min amout of pionts each year or go down a cat. Where is your comeyative spirit. |
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