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benlane
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
They should ban time trials and testers.
Bunch of headcases dodging lorries and cars in the name of sport, chasing artificial times that mean nowt |
Hmm yes, cos all TT's are run on DC's aren't they? |
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Billy Boy
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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The thing i like best about testers is they never get defensive. 
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Thomo
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I simply mean that it must say something about their organisation if they've written their own rules which dont allow any discretion to award an entry to riders such as Mr Dowsett, what's that all about? Regardless of whether they could or could not get him to ride this time, why is there no provision to allow him to enter? Bizarre no? |
Because back in the 50's, where the CTT inhabit, there aren't any foreign based pro Brits. |
Their organisation? I'll bet it's your organisation too - your club will be a member so that means it's your organisation. And the rules are democratically proposed and voted upon by representatives of it's members. So again that's you (in effect). The rules are updated every year if they need to be and the members agree. Just like every other organisation, like BC for example.
The rules regarding entry and participation in the CTT National Championships were re-written not that many years ago (maybe 5 or 6?).
That entry to an event requires some sort of qualification is hardly something unique to time trialling, and is common in other parts of cycle sport and certainly very common in many other sports too. Why people think that would be different for a Championship event is simply showing how ignorant they are.
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Megman
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| I simply mean that it must say something about their organisation if they've written their own rules which dont allow any discretion to award an entry to riders such as Mr Dowsett, what's that all about? Regardless of whether they could or could not get him to ride this time, why is there no provision to allow him to enter? Bizarre no? |
Plenty of other organisations do that. The US athletics do for example. If you don't qualify from the US champs there is no going to the olympics or world champs. Doesn't matter if you are the defending olympic or world champion or world record holder, you haven't qualified, you don't go. |
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| Megman wrote: |
| ChrisM wrote: |
| I simply mean that it must say something about their organisation if they've written their own rules which dont allow any discretion to award an entry to riders such as Mr Dowsett, what's that all about? Regardless of whether they could or could not get him to ride this time, why is there no provision to allow him to enter? Bizarre no? |
Plenty of other organisations do that. The US athletics do for example. If you don't qualify from the US champs there is no going to the olympics or world champs. Doesn't matter if you are the defending olympic or world champion or world record holder, you haven't qualified, you don't go. |
Yer but we're not talking about the USA Olympic committee. we're talking about a bunch of old farts who 'govern' headbangers razzing up and down roads for no earthly reason at 5:00 in the morning.
Stupid, outdated 'sport'. The sooner events are decided on points and the headbangers place more weight on positions than times the better.
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benlane
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Megman wrote: |
| ChrisM wrote: |
| I simply mean that it must say something about their organisation if they've written their own rules which dont allow any discretion to award an entry to riders such as Mr Dowsett, what's that all about? Regardless of whether they could or could not get him to ride this time, why is there no provision to allow him to enter? Bizarre no? |
Plenty of other organisations do that. The US athletics do for example. If you don't qualify from the US champs there is no going to the olympics or world champs. Doesn't matter if you are the defending olympic or world champion or world record holder, you haven't qualified, you don't go. |
Yer but we're not talking about the USA Olympic committee. we're talking about a bunch of old farts who 'govern' headbangers razzing up and down roads for no earthly reason at 5:00 in the morning.
Stupid, outdated 'sport'. The sooner events are decided on points and the headbangers place more weight on positions than times the better. |
I agree with the positions bit. That is probably due to my RR background. When I do TT's, and they are predominantly spoco's and hillys it is the position I place in the field that floats my boat rather than time. It is your ranking on the day that matters, not that you happened to turn up on a float day. |
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richyrich
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Megman wrote: |
| ChrisM wrote: |
| I simply mean that it must say something about their organisation if they've written their own rules which dont allow any discretion to award an entry to riders such as Mr Dowsett, what's that all about? Regardless of whether they could or could not get him to ride this time, why is there no provision to allow him to enter? Bizarre no? |
Plenty of other organisations do that. The US athletics do for example. If you don't qualify from the US champs there is no going to the olympics or world champs. Doesn't matter if you are the defending olympic or world champion or world record holder, you haven't qualified, you don't go. |
Yer but we're not talking about the USA Olympic committee. we're talking about a bunch of old farts who 'govern' headbangers razzing up and down roads for no earthly reason at 5:00 in the morning.
Stupid, outdated 'sport'. The sooner events are decided on points and the headbangers place more weight on positions than times the better. |
Like the Rudy Project series. 
You pays your money you takes your choice. |
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Megman
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Like the Team Midland time trial series (which I compete in). Organised into categories and you score points within your category, just like BC.
Although Hans the point I was replying to was about the CTT being outdated as they don't have an exceptions rule to allow anyone they would like to see enter a national competition. |
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richyrich
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The distinction between amateur and professional is somewhat grey now, but the CTT Champs are an amateur championships.
Really the pro's should have something else better to do.
If I'm not mistaken the BC Div Champs are on the same day. Why not EOL?  |
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benlane
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| richyrich wrote: |
The distinction between amateur and professional is somewhat grey now, but the CTT Champs are an amateur championships.
Really the pro's should have something else better to do.
If I'm not mistaken the BC Div Champs are on the same day. Why not EOL? |
That's the 10. Another good bit of planning cross organisation to arrange a championship and divs road race on same day.
Divs for me. |
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Thomo
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| benlane wrote: |
That's the 10. Another good bit of planning cross organisation to arrange a championship and divs road race on same day.
Divs for me. |
Only so many weekends in a racing season... something is always going to clash. They have been the same weekend for... probably nearly 20 years?
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Thomo
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| benlane wrote: |
That's the 10. Another good bit of planning cross organisation to arrange a championship and divs road race on same day.
Divs for me. |
Only so many weekends in a racing season... something is always going to clash. They have been the same weekend for... probably nearly 20 years?
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Ten champs only started in 1994 IIRC. |
For men it might... but for women and juniors it's been going much longer, and they have divi's too...
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
Yer but we're not talking about the USA Olympic committee. we're talking about a bunch of old farts who 'govern' headbangers razzing up and down roads for no earthly reason at 5:00 in the morning.
Stupid, outdated 'sport'. The sooner events are decided on points and the headbangers place more weight on positions than times the better. |
Like the Rudy Project series.
You pays your money you takes your choice. |
The Rudy series is hardly a resounding success is it...
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| benlane wrote: |
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The distinction between amateur and professional is somewhat grey now, but the CTT Champs are an amateur championships.
Really the pro's should have something else better to do.
If I'm not mistaken the BC Div Champs are on the same day. Why not EOL? |
That's the 10. Another good bit of planning cross organisation to arrange a championship and divs road race on same day.
Divs for me. |
[lights touchpaper]Unified orgnaising bodies would sort this out. [stands back] 
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Thomo
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| [lights touchpaper]Unified orgnaising bodies would sort this out. [stands back] |
Unlikely... As I said - too many major events and too few weekends... Look at the CiCle Classic and Dalby Forest World Cup MTB clash for a major example as to where BC have similar clashes.
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Robabank
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Stupid, outdated 'sport'. The sooner events are decided on points and the headbangers place more weight on positions than times the better. |
OK - so we consider Mr A Dowsett on his performances since Jan 1 2009. One win in a field of 31, and two DNS. How many points would that give? |
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Chrissylaa
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think this time came after the closing date,Pnut.
Makes a point though.
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benlane
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Chrissylaa wrote: |
I think this time came after the closing date,Pnut.
Makes a point though. |
That 10 Pnut put up was in May 2009, closing date for this years national was a few weeks back. So i'd say the ride was within the qualifying period. |
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| benlane wrote: |
| Chrissylaa wrote: |
I think this time came after the closing date,Pnut.
Makes a point though. |
That 10 Pnut put up was in May 2009, closing date for this years national was a few weeks back. So i'd say the ride was within the qualifying period. |
OOPS, i thought it was that one from last week. 
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