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Davey C
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Point missed spectacularly. Marvellous stuff!  |
Surely the point was that someone desperate to rubbish time trialling had to resort to falsehood and dishonest argument? |
Not really - the point was excluding one of the best riders from a "National Championship" is stupid, regardless of who else does it or what hoops the rider has failed to jump through. Try to keep up. |
I though the point was that you would rather riders break the rules to suit themselves rather than adhere to them like every onther rider has to? 
Paul |
Why not? He is rather exceptional. I'm sure we wouldn't mind Bradley Wiggins riding a Newport Track meeting even though I'm sure he hasn't passed the accreditation down there.
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alexc
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| Point missed spectacularly. Marvellous stuff! |
Surely the point was that someone desperate to rubbish time trialling had to resort to falsehood and dishonest argument? |
Not really - the point was excluding one of the best riders from a "National Championship" is stupid, regardless of who else does it or what hoops the rider has failed to jump through. Try to keep up. |
I though the point was that you would rather riders break the rules to suit themselves rather than adhere to them like every onther rider has to?
Paul |
the problem is paul, that the rttc do not want a non tester winning the 25 championships, sod the rules, they need a drastic rethink or at least the provision for wild cards to enable the best time triallists to ride without a qualifying time, as I doubt wiggins, cummings, thomas or killer would have qualified for a ride either. rules are rules but you can possibly argue that they are not out of date.
the website looks very good btw.
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Davey C
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alexc - seems we were thinking alike.
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Thomo
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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the problem is paul, that the rttc do not want a non tester winning the 25 championships, sod the rules, they need a drastic rethink or at least the provision for wild cards to enable the best time triallists to ride without a qualifying time, as I doubt wiggins, cummings, thomas or killer would have qualified for a ride either. rules are rules but you can possibly argue that they are not out of date.
the website looks very good btw. |
What are you on about? Alex is a tester through and through... He's got CTT in his blood... 
That goes for Wiggo too...
We have already said that Alex had plenty of time and opportunity to get a qualifying time - he entered at least 3 open CTT events that we know of last year - DNS 1 of them, DNF in another (a 30) and the other was a 10 IIRC. He also rode some club events.
Wiggo has also ridden CTT events within the last year - he does every year.
As I said previously though - if the rules allowed wildcards then there would not be an issue, but they don't so you can't change the rules just to suit one rider (especially when they haven't applied them to other events either). There is nothing wrong with the rules as they stand.
Paul
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Billy Boy
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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the problem is paul, that the rttc do not want a non tester winning the 25 championships, sod the rules, they need a drastic rethink or at least the provision for wild cards to enable the best time triallists to ride without a qualifying time, as I doubt wiggins, cummings, thomas or killer would have qualified for a ride either. rules are rules but you can possibly argue that they are not out of date.
the website looks very good btw. |
What are you on about? Alex is a tester through and through... He's got CTT in his blood...
That goes for Wiggo too...
We have already said that Alex had plenty of time and opportunity to get a qualifying time - he entered at least 3 open CTT events that we know of last year - DNS 1 of them, DNF in another (a 30) and the other was a 10 IIRC. He also rode some club events.
Wiggo has also ridden CTT events within the last year - he does every year.
As I said previously though - if the rules allowed wildcards then there would not be an issue, but they don't so you can't change the rules just to suit one rider (especially when they haven't applied them to other events either). There is nothing wrong with the rules as they stand.
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In your opinion.
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alexc
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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the problem is paul, that the rttc do not want a non tester winning the 25 championships, sod the rules, they need a drastic rethink or at least the provision for wild cards to enable the best time triallists to ride without a qualifying time, as I doubt wiggins, cummings, thomas or killer would have qualified for a ride either. rules are rules but you can possibly argue that they are not out of date.
the website looks very good btw. |
What are you on about? Alex is a tester through and through... He's got CTT in his blood...
That goes for Wiggo too...
We have already said that Alex had plenty of time and opportunity to get a qualifying time - he entered at least 3 open CTT events that we know of last year - DNS 1 of them, DNF in another (a 30) and the other was a 10 IIRC. He also rode some club events.
Wiggo has also ridden CTT events within the last year - he does every year.
As I said previously though - if the rules allowed wildcards then there would not be an issue, but they don't so you can't change the rules just to suit one rider (especially when they haven't applied them to other events either). There is nothing wrong with the rules as they stand.
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yes but would any of them got into the national 25 this year, i believe thats the bone of contention.
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Who cares. I rode a ten at the weekend by accident, if they want to ride time trials they are blooming welcome to them afaiac.
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Thomo
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| Who cares. I rode a ten at the weekend by accident, if they want to ride time trials they are blooming welcome to them afaiac. |
You don't ride a time trial or any race by accident. And if you found it hard, then you did it as intended.
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| yes but would any of them got into the national 25 this year, i believe thats the bone of contention. |
Any? I only know of Alex, and you know about that. Not sure Wiggo has ridden a 25 since he was a junior tbh... so why would he start now? The only TT event in the UK he'll be likely interested in will be the BTTC.
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Thomo wrote: |
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the problem is paul, that the rttc do not want a non tester winning the 25 championships, sod the rules, they need a drastic rethink or at least the provision for wild cards to enable the best time triallists to ride without a qualifying time, as I doubt wiggins, cummings, thomas or killer would have qualified for a ride either. rules are rules but you can possibly argue that they are not out of date.
the website looks very good btw. |
What are you on about? Alex is a tester through and through... He's got CTT in his blood...
That goes for Wiggo too...
We have already said that Alex had plenty of time and opportunity to get a qualifying time - he entered at least 3 open CTT events that we know of last year - DNS 1 of them, DNF in another (a 30) and the other was a 10 IIRC. He also rode some club events.
Wiggo has also ridden CTT events within the last year - he does every year.
As I said previously though - if the rules allowed wildcards then there would not be an issue, but they don't so you can't change the rules just to suit one rider (especially when they haven't applied them to other events either). There is nothing wrong with the rules as they stand.
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In your opinion. |
And mine, and if the Clubs don't like them they can be easily changed at the next CTT National Council. The CTT is much more democratic than BC in this regard.
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Billy Boy
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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the problem is paul, that the rttc do not want a non tester winning the 25 championships, sod the rules, they need a drastic rethink or at least the provision for wild cards to enable the best time triallists to ride without a qualifying time, as I doubt wiggins, cummings, thomas or killer would have qualified for a ride either. rules are rules but you can possibly argue that they are not out of date.
the website looks very good btw. |
What are you on about? Alex is a tester through and through... He's got CTT in his blood...
That goes for Wiggo too...
We have already said that Alex had plenty of time and opportunity to get a qualifying time - he entered at least 3 open CTT events that we know of last year - DNS 1 of them, DNF in another (a 30) and the other was a 10 IIRC. He also rode some club events.
Wiggo has also ridden CTT events within the last year - he does every year.
As I said previously though - if the rules allowed wildcards then there would not be an issue, but they don't so you can't change the rules just to suit one rider (especially when they haven't applied them to other events either). There is nothing wrong with the rules as they stand.
Paul |
In your opinion. |
And mine, and if the Clubs don't like them they can be easily changed at the next CTT National Council. The CTT is much more democratic than BC in this regard. |
So you think that rules should always be followed full stop end of story?
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Just read my initial post on this subject. My view is perfectly clear.
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| Just read my initial post on this subject. My view is perfectly clear. |
Yeah, clearly unable to answer a question.
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If you say so mush, but I actually have chosen not to, as there is little point, my view being very clear on this matter. Other rules in other circumstances is a totally seperate issue and not the subject of this thread regardless of any of your waffle.
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| If you say so mush, but I actually have chosen not to, as there is little point, my view being very clear on this matter. Other rules in other circumstances is a totally seperate issue and not the subject of this thread regardless of any of your waffle. |
Ever considered a career in politics?
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