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leggy blonde
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I might have ridden 170s for the fist time at Calshot on Saturday  . They might have been absolutely fine |
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What are you all talking about? I just ride me bike me. I dont need to know all this stuff  
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Bally
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Measured my old 531 E.G.Bates track bike this morning - 10.5" b/b with 170mm cranks. Has been used at Manchester, Calshot, Saffron Lane and Harlow plus grass tracks too numerous to mention with no problems.
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Bally wrote: |
| Measured my old 531 E.G.Bates track bike this morning - 10.5" b/b with 170mm cranks. Has been used at Manchester, Calshot, Saffron Lane and Harlow plus grass tracks too numerous to mention with no problems. |
there were a lot of track experts born when Manc was built
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esafosfina
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Never had an issue riding 170mm on any track I've ridden (including Sport Palais Gent)... Back in 2000 I was trying 175mm on a BT Superbike around Dunc Gray and again had no problem... if in doubt try a 165mm on the crankset side and a 170mm on the left...
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MrB
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And the guy who fetched me and my pal off at Calshot last weekend, was seemingly riding 19mm tyres, a gear closer to 90 than 88 and 172.5 cranks, no problem  right up until the moment he chose to lie down and we now have bruised hips and broken ribs.....and he has a bruised ego
I have only been riding at Calshot now for 4 years but am unaware of any specs or regulations governing bike set up there, and seemingly the guy that fell was unaware too
.putting my tag line in to practice
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Bally
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| esafosfina wrote: |
| if in doubt try a 165mm on the crankset side and a 170mm on the left... |
unless you're riding grass track of course then vice versa 
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BryanTaylor
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| MrB wrote: |
And the guy who fetched me and my pal off at Calshot last weekend, was seemingly riding 19mm tyres, a gear closer to 90 than 88 and 172.5 cranks, no problem right up until the moment he chose to lie down and we now have bruised hips and broken ribs.....and he has a bruised ego
I have only been riding at Calshot now for 4 years but am unaware of any specs or regulations governing bike set up there, and seemingly the guy that fell was unaware too
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if it was a training session booked there, the coach/organiser would have been given a letter by Calshot detailing recommended bike set up including maximum gearing & crank lengths. I organised a club day there recently & emailed everyone telling them the max gear I was allowing for the session. Problem is, if you're racing then I don't think there is anything laid down. It's similar to the fact i can't do certain sessions at manchester because i'm not acredited, but i could turn up & ride the nationals using any equipment I fancied. I presume bike checks were abandoned because of potential legal issues? |
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| I think it would be a good idea to just have some standard rules set for each track and then theres no arguements. i ride a dolan with 170mm cranks at manchester quite regular and obviously being a track specific frame i have no problems but from a safety point of view i think ALL bikes should be checked for at least the bottom bracket height.that way you dont get no chippers knocking you off with a dodgy bike.am suprised anyone would think to ride the track without a track specific frame! |
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highlandpro
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Crank Length on track |
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What length cranks do you use for track at Manchester or Newport?
I have been using 170mm for years, but have been told I must now change to 165mm or I could be sued if there is an Accident!!!!!
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 Sued if there is an Accident by who? |
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Big 'n Daft
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the problem is that when someone gets put in a wheelchair the lawyers come out and wil probably try and sue the velodrome (first) or the rider causing the accident.
To mitigate it the rules are made
a more pragmatic way forward:
1. issue "guidance"
2. to put in a "V" trough in with a head tube holder, your combination of pedals, cranks, BB and frame then either passes or fails. Coaches to test at each public session some / all bikes (takes 10 seconds for a pass) if it fails it's not safe have a refund go home or hire a bike
3.specific models of bikes should be banned and named on the website where there is a known issue,
which will stop the guy who insists his will be OK
it might not be fair, it might not be right, but it means that the rest of the group on the track don't get nervous when the muppet with the road bike hits the front of the group on the "B" sessions
velodrome sessions operate with "collective" safety paramount as the person causing the accident will not necessarily be the only injury nor the worst. The problem is the f**kwit who causes it may be denial about his ability or his bike, the velodrome procedures need to take this into account as "its not our fault he didn't follow the rules" may not be an adequate defence
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| In 15 years of racing I don't think I've seen one accident due to cranks being too long or BB being too low. Has anyone else? |
Only when somebodies down tube came away from the head tube on an alan track frame!
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John McC
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Im 6'2" and i use 165mm cranks. |
I am 6'3" and I have got 165s too. Mind I haven't ridden my track bike for over 2 years so does that count  |
I'm 6'3" and use 170s, which seems most sensible for longer legs. No problem with clearance with modern pedals either.
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Hans Datdodishes
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'kin newbies.
I once saw Lee rowe hit his left hand pedal on the bottom of Calshot banking during a squad session, when he was sprinting against McHugh.
As for right hand pedal hitting, Scotsbigfella Kennedy is the last bloke I remember doing it, but that was at about 2mph on Saff Lane banking in the juvie sprint semis |
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Billy Boy wrote: |
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| In 15 years of racing |
'kin newbies.
I once saw Lee rowe hit his left hand pedal on the bottom of Calshot banking during a squad session, when he was sprinting against McHugh.
As for right hand pedal hitting, Scotsbigfella Kennedy is the last bloke I remember doing it, but that was at about 2mph on Saff Lane banking in the juvie sprint semis |
Bet neither of 'em fell off though.  |
Steve did, and took the other guy down as well |
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Hans Datdodishes
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My favourite Saffron Lane memories..
1. Steve sliding off in the semis
2. That motorpacing crash
3. Steve falling off, getting splinters, then getting fiancee/wife no 4/5 (the blonde one) to pull his splinters out of his arris AFTER putting on a thong first for his 'fans'
4. Schoolboy sprinter, sprints, finishes, swings up the banking like the pros do, hits the boards and slides down
5. Getting the whole home straight involved in abusing Russ Williams in the 20k final for avoiding the front
6. Natalie Soens |
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Richard Kennedy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| In 15 years of racing |
'kin newbies.
I once saw Lee rowe hit his left hand pedal on the bottom of Calshot banking during a squad session, when he was sprinting against McHugh.
As for right hand pedal hitting, Scotsbigfella Kennedy is the last bloke I remember doing it, but that was at about 2mph on Saff Lane banking in the juvie sprint semis |
Bet neither of 'em fell off though. |
Steve did, and took the other guy down as well |
Your power of recall is fading with age Tim!
Steve did indeed come down in the Juvenile sprint (riding against Geraint Day).
But it wasn't Steve who came down first. Steve had Geraint pinned and was going REALLY slowly around the banking, Geraint slipped and took Steve down rather than the other way round. (We still have it on video) |
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Your power of recall is fading with age Tim! |
His thong was maroon |
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Richard Kennedy
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Richard Kennedy wrote: |
| Your power of recall is fading with age Tim! |
His thong was maroon |
I'm pleased to say I don't remember! (although I do remember the incident) |
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