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one man army Div 2 Pro
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: Liquid Gloucosamine... |
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...is tremendi
I was recommended this by a triantelope so naturally I was sceptical. I've taken the tabby-lets before and felt they did make a mild difference but this liquid stuff has been amazing. I literally feel, physically, 10 years younger. The usual aches and joint tiredness I'd experience has been improved hugely.
I know it doesn't work for everyone but I'd recommend giving it a try for a month or so. I found the tabby-lets would take around 3-4 weeks to start taking effect but it was much, much quicker with the liquid stuff.
Mind you, it tastes like sh't but thats only a very small price to pay.
Anyone else take it / tried it? _________________ Rap's Rambo! One Man Army had it with your mumbo jumbo

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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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My father, aged 86, swears by it although it does seem to clash with his blood pressure medication.
He and the step mum also swear by flax oil and green lipped mussels. _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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one man army Div 2 Pro
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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KJ wrote: |
green lipped mussels. |
yep +1 for those bad boys
 _________________ Rap's Rambo! One Man Army had it with your mumbo jumbo
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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one man army wrote: |
KJ wrote: |
green lipped mussels. |
yep +1 for those bad boys
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Remember to make sure they're New Zealand born and not Korean  _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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Broken Bones Div 2 Pro
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Can you get the liquid glucosamine in health food shops?...I am thinking this may be worth a try now I am back training  _________________ www.filles-a-velo.com |
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Walnuts are good for joints too  _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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martin smith World Champ

Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Posts: 12187 Location: shoehorning kittens into jars
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab002946.html _________________ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. |
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Tucker Tour Winner

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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martin smith wrote: |
http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab002946.html |
Suspected as much. |
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martin smith World Champ

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Tucker wrote: |
martin smith wrote: |
http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab002946.html |
Suspected as much. |
not to mention the complete lack of any reference to joints when you do this:
http://www.tripdatabase.com/SearchResults.html?page=1&sort=t&criteria=walnuts
 _________________ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. |
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Roy Gardiner T de F Winner

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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It's a perfect example of quack vs. real medicine, first hand experience vs. bulk trials.
Glucosamine is unproven.
I have severe arthritis in my knees.
I take glucosamine.
I think I feel better when I do.
So I don't care about proper controls etc etc. _________________ "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
"Everything in war is simple, but the simplest thing is difficult." Carl Von Clausewitz |
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martin smith World Champ

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Roy Gardiner wrote: |
It's a perfect example of quack vs. real medicine, first hand experience vs. bulk trials.
Glucosamine is unproven.
I have severe arthritis in my knees.
I take glucosamine.
I think I feel better when I do.
So I don't care about proper controls etc etc. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIaV8swc-fo&feature=related
in the sack... _________________ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. |
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Martin do you not ingest anything that doesn't have a scientifically proven pedigree? _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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martin smith World Champ

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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KJ wrote: |
Martin do you not ingest anything that doesn't have a scientifically proven pedigree? |
Of course. I just don't believe it until there's proof. the research i'm doing is into something that isn't proven yet (otherwise i wouldn't be doing it...) but there's a good reason for thinking it might be true. a random statement like 'walnuts are good for joints' i regard with some suspicion unless some supporting evidence is provided. I looked, and there isn't any, so i can only guess that someone just made it up.
If your question is really 'martin, do you ever just accept any old tosh someone comes out with and would you like to f**k off' the answer is 'no'
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martin smith World Champ

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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walnut leaves do have anti inflammatory properties:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T8D-49H15FS-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=f32247ec982920f91cdb4f159c34a956
but then so does ibuprofen. no mention of the nuts themselves.
interestingly, though the article was quoted here:
http://www.mamaherb.com/degenerative-joint-disease-home-remedy-using-walnuts.html
they don't seem to have actually read the paper as to which extracts actually have the intended properties. this line in particular:
However, only the ethanolic extracts of Helleborus orientalis roots, Juglans regia leaves, Laurocerasus officinalis leaves, Nerium oleander dried and fresh flowers, and Rhododendron ponticum leaves exhibited potent anti-inflammatory activity against carrageenan-induced hind paw edema model in mice without inducing any gastric damage.
which would seem to imply that boiling the leaves either won't extract the intended chemicals or will cause gastric damage.
I'll stick to neurofen myself. _________________ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. |
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Billy Boy T de F Winner

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone fancy a burger? _________________ "Well done, you are 100% absolutely without a shadow of a doubt spot-bollock-on correct." - Tucker
"Eating is not for wimps" - coal miner
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Ken Avit E, Silver

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Billy Boy wrote: |
Anyone fancy a burger? |
good advice, my gran swears by 'em. she says they're 'kin dandy  |
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hellebores and oleander are toxic. If nothing else I know which plants will damage or kill me  _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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PS I'm not a mouse. _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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Ken Avit E, Silver

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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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grass is good for your joints, but it has known side effects such as memory loss and paranoia  |
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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PPS I like the taste of walnuts. If they do some good, fine, if not, as long as I don't eat in excess, they shouldn't do me any harm. _________________ 'You are a free woman. You will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed (that you should be so lucky ) or numbered. Your life is your own.' |
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