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Magnier E, Silver
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Posts: 584 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Nah,
Wack it in a bigger gear than feels comfortable, quitely though so no one can hear you getting ready, jump out the saddle and into the gutter on the opposite side of the road and stamp on them pedals. |
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Billy Boy T de F Winner

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 30726 Location: Not Aylesbury
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Start sprinting with about ten miles to go and just keep the speed at about 40mph. Don't over complicate it. _________________ "Well done, you are 100% absolutely without a shadow of a doubt spot-bollock-on correct." - Tucker
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bushman E, Silver

Joined: 19 Sep 2004 Posts: 1957 Location: Newcastle
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Too early for that Dave. For what its worth start the sprint on the gear you intend to finish on. If you change gear during the sprint you will loose momentum. Start near or at the front and pick a good wheel to lead you out, failing that lead it out yourself. Just get in my pocket at newburn-you will be fine. _________________ 'Beast from the North East' Coops
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Andrew Jackson E, Gold

Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Posts: 3128 Location: Barton under Needwood
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sprint drills on the road. 300 metres min. Jump to speed, hold then kick with 100 to go.
Some old git who knows a bit about winning road sprints recommends sprinting to the bottom of a hill (300m), then continuing to sprint up the hill - sounds like torture to me but he has won a lot of races  _________________ You can't polish a turd |
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Dogma Dave Div 1 Pro
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 6714 Location: God's Own County
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Billy Boy wrote: |
Start sprinting with about ten miles to go and just keep the speed at about 40mph. Don't over complicate it. |
Obviously what he said, but 50mph.......... |
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Davey D Cat 2 Groupie

Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 90 Location: Newcastle
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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bushman wrote: |
Too early for that Dave. For what its worth start the sprint on the gear you intend to finish on. If you change gear during the sprint you will loose momentum. Start near or at the front and pick a good wheel to lead you out, failing that lead it out yourself. Just get in my pocket at newburn-you will be fine. |
Cheers
Good session tonight, had to pull out towards the end I started to cramp up in calf, had a busy day so not much fuel inside me. |
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eastway82 Div 3 Pro
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 3965 Location: Normandy, France
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of people say 'I can't sprint' , but then admit they never do any sprint training, so you've got a head start already, juts by working at it.
I'd also say you need to work out what kind of sprinter you are though.
Have you got a big kick, or do you need to wind it up over distance? No point using a kick strategy if you're a diesel.
The other thing is at the end of your session, (or any session for that matter), end it with the MOTHER of all sprint efforts, aimed at a specific finishing line, the aim being to get to your max speed however that works best for you, maintain it as long as you can, then hit the line ready to chuck up over your bars and just at the point where you can't sustain the speed any more. Basically, working on your judgement of exactly how to empty your body out completely and pour it onto the pedals, and still make it to the line without dying. If you can speak or breathe normally within a couple of minutes of this, you're not doing it hard enough. |
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JimmyRay E, Silver
Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 1838 Location: Exeter
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Personally its all about what works for you.... and what works for you will be best found out by tryign different things.
I was doing some seated accelerations yesterday, alternating between changing gear through teh effort (maintaining torque), and doing the whole sprint in the same gear I was cruising on the flat at. Same bit of road, same maximum speed (well half a klick in it) between styles.
Difficult to give a direct comparision as I am shutting down as soon as stop accelerating, but I would say the high cadence stuff will help the sprint more when it comes to racing in a few weeks.
Anyway, back to teh subject, try some stuff, and see what works....but practice is what its all about. |
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Davey D Cat 2 Groupie

Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 90 Location: Newcastle
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies
4 weeks to my first race so going to start practising, its got an uphill finish
so got a good idea what the finish is going to like. |
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Magnier E, Silver
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Posts: 584 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Try this, just started doing them, Cadel's recommendation for a powerful finish.
Long 10% drag, 5 min effort up in 53x14 seated at about 75% effort and 30-40 cadence. Spin legs back down hill and repeat about 4 times.
Fun fun fun! |
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Tucker Tour Winner

Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 15722 Location: Swindon
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Magnier wrote: |
Try this, just started doing them, Cadel's recommendation for a powerful finish.
Long 10% drag, 5 min effort up in 53x14 seated at about 75% effort and 30-40 cadence. Spin legs back down hill and repeat about 4 times.
Fun fun fun! |
Sounds like a recommendation made by an unethical knee doctor. |
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Magnier E, Silver
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Posts: 584 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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yeah knees hurt a bit, but could only push the 15 last week, managed 14 this time. measurable improvement  |
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Tucker Tour Winner

Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 15722 Location: Swindon
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Magnier wrote: |
yeah knees hurt a bit, but could only push the 15 last week, managed 14 this time. measurable improvement  |
Excellent. Nothing pleases me more than a young man ruining his knees. |
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Chrissylaa E, Gold
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3382 Location: On a hillside desolate.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:54 am Post subject: |
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10% drag..
You mean the same as Alpe d'Huez!!! |
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Roy Gardiner T de F Winner

Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 21249 Location: London and Essex
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Tucker wrote: |
Magnier wrote: |
Try this, just started doing them, Cadel's recommendation for a powerful finish.
Long 10% drag, 5 min effort up in 53x14 seated at about 75% effort and 30-40 cadence. Spin legs back down hill and repeat about 4 times.
Fun fun fun! |
Sounds like a recommendation made by an unethical knee doctor. |
Magnier wrote: |
yeah knees hurt a bit, but could only push the 15 last week, managed 14 this time. measurable improvement  |
Well I guess repetition of an exercise will make you better at that exercise and that low-cadence high-resistance might make your legs stronger, but is it going to make you faster in a sprint finish?
A totally contrasting recommendation I've seen is
- find a dip followed by an uphill run
- spin up to sprinting cadence on the down
- hold that cadence as long as possible up the hill going full gas ('go til you blow') _________________ "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
"Everything in war is simple, but the simplest thing is difficult." Carl Von Clausewitz |
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John McC Moderator


Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 24510 Location: Leafy Barnet
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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What do I know, but my sprint training, as prescribed by a rather good sprinter and coach, is very different to Mr. Magniers. Unfortunately details cost 5 grand and I am sworn to secrecy  _________________ John McClelland's victory in the motor paced event with Derek Marloe on the derny was a thing of beauty (Oldmanof) |
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bushman E, Silver

Joined: 19 Sep 2004 Posts: 1957 Location: Newcastle
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Of course yopu have to be in a position to use your sprint in order to make training it worthwhile. Put yourself in that position first then you can start working on your sprint. _________________ 'Beast from the North East' Coops
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eastway82 Div 3 Pro
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 3965 Location: Normandy, France
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Magnier wrote: |
Try this, just started doing them, Cadel's recommendation for a powerful finish.
Long 10% drag, 5 min effort up in 53x14 seated at about 75% effort and 30-40 cadence. Spin legs back down hill and repeat about 4 times.
Fun fun fun! |
Powerful finish maybe, but doesn't sound much good for sprinting to me. Perhaps one reason why you don't often see Mr Evans elbow to elbow with Cav.
Also perhaps why he seems to have a habit of getting caught at the wrong end of the bunch when unexpected splits occur – he's probably back at the team car getting something rubbed on his sore knees...  |
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Terry Tibbs E, Gold

Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 3235
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Mr Evans' drill looks great for strength. Not sure it would trigger the neurological response needed to train the sort of power you need for sprinting. |
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Hans Datdodishes T de F Winner
Joined: 28 Feb 2002 Posts: 28370 Location: On the Superior Forum with the cool kids
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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You need to sprint down hills, not up _________________ World Masters Drive HillClimb For Taureans Category C Champion 2013.
I'm a qualified coach. |
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