Hypothetical cycle lane question

JONNO · Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:47 pm Post subject: Hypothetical cycle lane question

Discussion at work today I couldn't answer, You are riding at the same speed as the traffic and the twit one car in front decides to throw a left without indicating, you can't stop and end up hitting the car and sprawled across the road. Is it 50/50 or what?
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Fritz · Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject:

I thought they would be 100% liable if he makes a manouvre and hits you. Certainly that is the case in Europe and if you are on your bike as the car is automatically liable.

Rob of the Og · E, Gold Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2256

That question was very much on my mind as I rode down Marylebone Rd and Euston Rd into the office this morning... presumably they've cut across your lane and are entirely responsible. Is it any different to if someone tried to dive over from the outside lane of a motorway to the slip road and took a few people out on the way?

mattr · World Champ Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 12647

IIRC it depends on the road markings.

If you've got a solid line that then becomes broken over the junction, the driver is at fault. As you are a proper separate lane with "rights".

If its a broken line that disappears over the junction, its your fault.

Its years since i've ever even bothered looking at this (a mate got hit in a dotted line cycle path, so we did some digging.)

Obv. there are other factors that the driver will use to try and get off. You didn't have lights/reflective vest/helmet/reflectors/body armour etc etc.

JONNO · Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:18 pm Post subject:

The other one that gets to me is the idiots using side roads as rat runs then pulling straight out across the cycle lane at speed before stopping, to try and push their way in to the traffic. I know they WOULD be liable in an accident but it's not much consolation if your hurt by them.
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Zarate · Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:13 am Post subject:

There's a bus + cycle lane nearby on a main road, which has clear signs on it warning left turning traffic that they HAVE to check before turning across it for a left exit. Mind, being hit be a bus is less appealing than simply taking out an innocent bike rider. But surely the same principle applies?
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key ran · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject:

assume that not indicating wouldn't help his case for 50/50?

I have gone over a car (slowly moving in a traffic jam) when passing on the inside and the car suddenly decides to do a left without indicating just as I was passing. The bike was damaged, not me, anyway the driver's insurers paid up with very little fuss.
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olamba · Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:34 am Post subject:

ride with the assumption that most drivers will do the unexpected & then be pleasantly surprised if they see you.

did you know that if there is a double white line down the middle of the road, & there is more than 1 cyclist, then you CANNOT pass (in a car obv.)? came up on my ADI course.
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Zarate · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject:

Just had a refresher look at the Highway Code, it says you can cross a solid line to pass a parked vehicle, or a slow moving vehicle (doing less than 10mph), provided no-one else is coming and forced to slow or alter course. Otherwise you wait. And every day that little bit of legislation is ignored. Maybe because 99% of drivers haven't looked at HC since the test was passed, and if they did would ignore it anyway, if it impeded their ability to rush about, in the slightest way.
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JimmyRay · E, Silver Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Posts: 1838 Location: Exeter

Going back to the start... I think the key point is that the driver was not indicating.

If a dotted cycle lane, would there be an argument that the driver hadn't successfully overtaken you before turning.. I'd have thought that would need to be a factor and its not just a case of you as a cyclist having to be able to stop in teh distance you are trailing...

if that was the case than surely the easiest way to make a fraudulent claim would be to overtake cars and then rapidly turn left with teh anchors on... money ahoy!

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