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Tucker
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: Race TEAM TACTICS question |
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Let us suppose that you are a useless chipper. Further suppose that you are riding a 3 day stage race, and due to a puncture on the previous stage and an embarrassing prologue you are not even kind of in contention for anything. The rest of your team of chippers have been dropped, save one. You are halfway around the queen stage, which is hilly, and your legs are sending you clear and actionable intelligence that the rest of your day will involve hanging on for grim death and, at best, scraping 15th. Your teammate and occasional bumfun partner is ONE point away from the green jersey and PUNCTURES at the top of the hill. Neutral service not in sight. Do you:
1. Say "f**k 'im, and attempt to nail that 15th?
2. Wait for him, then work with him to get the bunch back (which could be a minute up the road by the time you get going)
3. Offer up your wheel and give him a push?
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Jimmy c
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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simple , give him your wheel and then stand at the side of the road screaming and gesticulating as to where the neutral service is, when it finally arrives change the wheel and soft tap round the course and then when you finally make it to the finish nonchalantly chuck your bike and claim that if it wasnt for the slow neutral service then you could have easily caught back up instigated a breakaway and infact made up enough time to win the race.
everyones a winner... |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Jimmy c wrote: |
simple , give him your wheel and then stand at the side of the road screaming and gesticulating as to where the neutral service is, when it finally arrives change the wheel and soft tap round the course and then when you finally make it to the finish nonchalantly chuck your bike and claim that if it wasnt for the slow neutral service then you could have easily caught back up instigated a breakaway and infact made up enough time to win the race.
everyones a winner... |
HILL - see this! I f**king told you so. |
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mho
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| It's an amateur sport so do what you feel is appropriate for you. |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mho wrote: |
| It's an amateur sport so do what you feel is appropriate for you. |
I did, I'm just canvassing opinion. Hill thinks I should have gone for option 1. Perhaps this is why he rides for a team with no other riders. |
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mho
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
| It's an amateur sport so do what you feel is appropriate for you. |
I did, I'm just canvassing opinion. Hill thinks I should have gone for option 1. Perhaps this is why he rides for a team with no other riders. |
but he's entitled to do what is best for him. So neither of you are wrong. |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| mho wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
| It's an amateur sport so do what you feel is appropriate for you. |
I did, I'm just canvassing opinion. Hill thinks I should have gone for option 1. Perhaps this is why he rides for a team with no other riders. |
but he's entitled to do what is best for him. So neither of you are wrong. |
Its not a question of right or wrong, it's a question of maximising the GLORY of Team VR. |
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mho
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
| It's an amateur sport so do what you feel is appropriate for you. |
I did, I'm just canvassing opinion. Hill thinks I should have gone for option 1. Perhaps this is why he rides for a team with no other riders. |
but he's entitled to do what is best for him. So neither of you are wrong. |
Its not a question of right or wrong, it's a question of maximising the GLORY of Team VR. |
Which Hill did by finishing top VR. |
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Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Please read the Team VR constitution:
Team VR cares not for "finishing or not finishing". Team VR cares only for "avit or die trying". |
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Rich Hill
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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For the love of Mary. Neutral service - as I saw it - at ToD was pretty hot.
Some people thought otherwise but I reckoned the bloke doing it was spot on and making good of a difficult job in shocking conditions. I saw an efficient, fast service and someone who understood bike riders and how they need to 'get back on'.
Davey - who was ON FIRE (as I saw it) at the ToD and would have EASILY got a new wheel and got back to the bunch given a) The neutral service. b) His fantastic and unfair form/genetic advantage. 
This would have then left two Team VR boys in the race (in theory as we ARE splitting hairs here).
It is now woefully apparent that Paul Tucker doesn't give himself enough justice in terms of what he could do if he was somewhat more shrewd with his form rather than mincing around all the time.
The first road stage and he punctures. This is normal racing form when he and I enter a race together. Either I puncture or he punctures. It was now his turn. He uses the Neutral service to get a new wheel and just about gets back on before a large crash causes him some more grief in which he throws the towel in. Rob (also of Team VR) was also caught behind said crash and managed to get back on. Surely Tucker could have sat on Robs wheel and sucked like a hard boiled sweet?
Finally - I may be in the Team of ONE but WHAT a TEAM!! LOL 
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Tucker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Rich Hill wrote: |
For the love of Mary. Neutral service - as I saw it - at ToD was pretty hot.
Some people thought otherwise but I reckoned the bloke doing it was spot on and making good of a difficult job in shocking conditions. I saw an efficient, fast service and someone who understood bike riders and how they need to 'get back on'.
Davey - who was ON FIRE (as I saw it) at the ToD and would have EASILY got a new wheel and got back to the bunch given a) The neutral service. b) His fantastic and unfair form/genetic advantage.
This would have then left two Team VR boys in the race (in theory as we ARE splitting hairs here).
It is now woefully apparent that Paul Tucker doesn't give himself enough justice in terms of what he could do if he was somewhat more shrewd with his form rather than mincing around all the time.
The first road stage and he punctures. This is normal racing form when he and I enter a race together. Either I puncture or he punctures. It was now his turn. He uses the Neutral service to get a new wheel and just about gets back on before a large crash causes him some more grief in which he throws the towel in. Rob (also of Team VR) was also caught behind said crash and managed to get back on. Surely Tucker could have sat on Robs wheel and sucked like a hard boiled sweet?
Finally - I may be in the Team of ONE but WHAT a TEAM!! LOL |
When one is in the leading group in a second cat race, which is lined out up a 2 mile long hill, one doesn't always have the time to weigh all the pros and cons. Maybe next year you'll get to experience this  |
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Rich Hill
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe next year you'll get to experience this |
<sigh>
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Rob of the Og
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| I'll say it again: INSPIRATIONAL |
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mho
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Rich Hill wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Maybe next year you'll get to experience this |
<sigh> |
No one tells Cav he has to win a mountain stage or be in the lead group in a mountain stage to be a 'good rider'. |
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Des
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| mho wrote: |
| Rich Hill wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Maybe next year you'll get to experience this |
<sigh> |
No one tells Cav he has to win a mountain stage or be in the lead group in a mountain stage to be a 'good rider'. |
It was the Tour of Dorset, one stage with a bump they go over 6 or 7 times, rest of the race is pretty flat. 
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mattr
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| No one tells Cav he has to win a mountain stage or be in the lead group in a mountain stage to be a 'good rider'. |
They do, don't you read the papers, or the internet?  |
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Davey C
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Tucker it was the right thing to do and very much appreciated. Don't listen to mho, he considers 'finishing a race' a result in itself.
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Davey C
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Des wrote: |
| mho wrote: |
| Rich Hill wrote: |
| Tucker wrote: |
| Maybe next year you'll get to experience this |
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No one tells Cav he has to win a mountain stage or be in the lead group in a mountain stage to be a 'good rider'. |
It was the Tour of Dorset, one stage with a bump they go over 6 or 7 times, rest of the race is pretty flat. |
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Rich Hill
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Rob of the Og wrote: |
| I'll say it again: INSPIRATIONAL |
Waste of tuckers talent. We disagree- big deal.
(I think I just coined a phrase...)
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Rob of the Og
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Rich Hill wrote: |
| Rob of the Og wrote: |
| I'll say it again: INSPIRATIONAL |
Waste of tuckers talent. We disagree- big deal.
(I think I just coined a phrase...) |
No, the waste of his talent was walking round the prologue plus the bad luck he had on Saturday afternoon. Without that stuff and if Davey hadn't been probably the best sprinter in the race then I'd agree. |
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