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ali_clay
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Gently ride through or completely stop altogether?
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Chrissylaa
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Did you get the diagnosis then?
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ali_clay
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Read lots and it all fits. The tendons damaged from my injury would be more suceptable. Think it flared up over-doing it after a lay-off. Managed to locate the sore tendon so massaging regular to encourage blood flow with gentle riding feels better this morning but will lay off the turbo until next week.
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I quickly recovered from achilese tendonitis after doing some alternate hot / cold treatment each evening to stimulate blood flow. (using bowls of hot and ice cold water)
Acupuncture would also stimulate blood flow. I've had it on IT Bands, but not tendons, but many sports physios would be able to use it. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| ali_clay wrote: |
| Read lots and it all fits. The tendons damaged from my injury would be more suceptable. Think it flared up over-doing it after a lay-off. Managed to locate the sore tendon so massaging regular to encourage blood flow with gentle riding feels better this morning but will lay off the turbo until next week. |
I find the turbo is worse than the road for aggrivating injuries that I thought were long gone. Often on the turbo there is no let up so I try not to grind out an hour, and have lots of break. |
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Hans Datdodishes
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Have you tried a holistic wristband?
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ali_clay
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Where do they go, what do they do and how do they work?
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mattr
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Have you tried a holistic wristband? |
Where do they go, what do they do and how do they work? |
Round your wrist.
Make gullible people poorer.
They don't. |
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DenHaag
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ali_clay wrote: |
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| Have you tried a holistic wristband? |
Where do they go, what do they do and how do they work? |
Round your wrist.
Make gullible people poorer.
They don't. |
Team Sky used them. Worrying eh? |
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mattr
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| DenHaag wrote: |
| mattr wrote: |
| ali_clay wrote: |
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| Have you tried a holistic wristband? |
Where do they go, what do they do and how do they work? |
Round your wrist.
Make gullible people poorer.
They don't. |
Team Sky used them. Worrying eh? |
carrying that 15 grammes of junk round the entire time probably cost them 10 places. Marginal gains and all that.... |
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cjdjustride
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ali_clay wrote: |
| Read lots and it all fits. The tendons damaged from my injury would be more suceptable. Think it flared up over-doing it after a lay-off. Managed to locate the sore tendon so massaging regular to encourage blood flow with gentle riding feels better this morning but will lay off the turbo until next week. |
Dispersal/realignment of scar tissue?
Actual cause ? High heel tabs, tight over-shoes, inversion/eversion, imbalance issues further up leg?
Re-hab eccentric loading?
Anti-inflammatory modalities?
I could go on.
The point I'm trying to make is see a professional therapist. You could get it right but may also get it terribly wrong. Sometimes a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
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Steve McGinty
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| Sometimes a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
...but the VR Saloon would be empty if we let that bother us...
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cjdjustride
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Steve McGinty wrote: |
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| Sometimes a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
...but the VR Saloon would be empty if we let that bother us... |
Good point well made! |
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ali_clay
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It started getting better and then got worse again didn't do anything different. I'll wait till the end of the week then make an appoinment with a sports injury *CENSORED*. Problem is time and cost.
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JimmyRay
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If it is tendonitis, then you need to isolate the cause, remove cause and wait.
Personally speaking, from experience a damaged tendon will take anything up to 6 weeks to fully recover once the cause has been removed.
Also from both my experience and that of others, trying to cut corners rarely works, so I am one for resting until its properly better. Most people who have tried otherwise would with hindsight have taken a six week break from training at the start rather than trying all sorts of things in the mean time.
That said, if you isolate a problem, you can be training in a couple of days gently. An example I had was tendonitis in left achilles... cause was a mxture of scar tissue froma previous injury adn a zip on a certain pair of tights. I tried everything to fix that niggling discomfort, but what worked was to stop wearing the tights... instant fix.
Likewise, (again achilles tendonitis), the problem was isolated as being a pair of shoes I was wearing at work. That inflamed the tendon sheath, adn the riding irritated it.
So in summary, make sure you know what has caused the problem, deal with it and take a cautionary view point on rehabilitation.
Finally, with regards to ice, compression, massage, I find the most effective way to relieve tendon inflammation is to leave it the feck alone and rest it. |
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Chrissylaa
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| JimmyRay wrote: |
If it is tendonitis, then you need to isolate the cause, remove cause and wait.
Personally speaking, from experience a damaged tendon will take anything up to 6 weeks to fully recover once the cause has been removed.
Also from both my experience and that of others, trying to cut corners rarely works, so I am one for resting until its properly better. Most people who have tried otherwise would with hindsight have taken a six week break from training at the start rather than trying all sorts of things in the mean time.
That said, if you isolate a problem, you can be training in a couple of days gently. An example I had was tendonitis in left achilles... cause was a mxture of scar tissue froma previous injury adn a zip on a certain pair of tights. I tried everything to fix that niggling discomfort, but what worked was to stop wearing the tights... instant fix.
Likewise, (again achilles tendonitis), the problem was isolated as being a pair of shoes I was wearing at work. That inflamed the tendon sheath, adn the riding irritated it.
So in summary, make sure you know what has caused the problem, deal with it and take a cautionary view point on rehabilitation.
Finally, with regards to ice, compression, massage, I find the most effective way to relieve tendon inflammation is to leave it the feck alone and rest it. |
Wise Words. 
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cjdjustride
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Chrissylaa wrote: |
| JimmyRay wrote: |
If it is tendonitis, then you need to isolate the cause, remove cause and wait.
Personally speaking, from experience a damaged tendon will take anything up to 6 weeks to fully recover once the cause has been removed.
Also from both my experience and that of others, trying to cut corners rarely works, so I am one for resting until its properly better. Most people who have tried otherwise would with hindsight have taken a six week break from training at the start rather than trying all sorts of things in the mean time.
That said, if you isolate a problem, you can be training in a couple of days gently. An example I had was tendonitis in left achilles... cause was a mxture of scar tissue froma previous injury adn a zip on a certain pair of tights. I tried everything to fix that niggling discomfort, but what worked was to stop wearing the tights... instant fix.
Likewise, (again achilles tendonitis), the problem was isolated as being a pair of shoes I was wearing at work. That inflamed the tendon sheath, adn the riding irritated it.
So in summary, make sure you know what has caused the problem, deal with it and take a cautionary view point on rehabilitation.
Finally, with regards to ice, compression, massage, I find the most effective way to relieve tendon inflammation is to leave it the feck alone and rest it. |
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Well it was going OK until the last paragraph. That certainly is NOT the most effective course of action. If you leave it untreated for the 6 weeks you're very likely to get the problem refered to in bold italic above and you'll also be suffering more discomfort than necessary. The cost of a session with a therapist can be less than that of a good tyre and will likely improve your performance more! |
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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wristband. A holistic one.
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JimmyRay
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I think you miss read what I am saying... I am all for spending money on teh cause adn effective treatment, and in fact i woudl say it is crucial, but as for the difference massage, hot and cold treatments and everythign else goes... I am yet to see any positive outcome.
In my mind, key treatment is to understand adn deal with the cause, and then let nature take its own course to fix it.
Maybe there are effective treatments, but the way I see it, the more you think about it, the more you fiddle with it, the more you are likely to irritate the poor thing.
As mentioned, my experience is let it rest and you'll be amazed at the effectiveness and cost savings possible.... however the key point to stress again, is that you have to find the cause first.
And in that 'over doing it' is not a valid cause.... 'overdoing it' should be the reason a weakness, imbalance, problem has presented itself.
Again taking myself as an example...used to ave achiles problems, with good wedging of shoes and orthotic insoles my problems are sorted. |
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