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DenHaag
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
The way he accelerated after every attack by climbers was SUPERHUMAN, what a guy, I've not seen an effort like that since Floyd Landis was in his prime. |
bollox. err FACT. |
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Zarate
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Boring - no. More even - yes. The Schlecks appear to have not a tactical idea between them, Bertie is a shadow of the Giro rider who may be sandbagging, Cadel is doing his usual thing and will probably launch a big move as late as possible in the Alps, knowing that the Schlecks and Bertie are hardly the world's best against the watch.
If Thomas V manages to hang on in the Alps it will be a miracle, but his team are putting themselves to the sword for him. How is he at the TT?
I'll bet FdJ and Saur will join the fun if the money's right. It would actually be good for the TdF to have a French winner - and of course a Brit in Green.
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Bob J
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Saur Sojasun have performed beyond a lot of peoples expectations, They've had guys in quite a few long breaks, inc the youngest guy in the race, and most of them are still in the race.
Voeckler is now getting the usual French press build -up as a potential winner, and who can blame them, they've waited long enough, but i'd like to see a bit more time on Evans, assuming it stays the same on time up to the TT, although the Maillot Jaune can work wonders when necessary.
Race is still wide open really
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nedsoldman
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:21 am Post subject: |
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So, reading between the lines, the race is boring, none of the favourites are performing well, but Voekler is doing beter than expected therefore there must be some less than legit reason? Either he is charging, or the others aren't?
Christ, its no wonder all I ever hear from non cyclists is *CENSORED* accusations when there is this level of cynicism amongst the fans!! |
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Billy Boy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| nedsoldman wrote: |
So, reading between the lines, the race is boring, none of the favourites are performing well, but Voekler is doing beter than expected therefore there must be some less than legit reason? Either he is charging, or the others aren't?
Christ, its no wonder all I ever hear from non cyclists is *CENSORED* accusations when there is this level of cynicism amongst the fans!! |
Cynicism, or realism?
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nedsoldman
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| Maybe a bit of both, although I think Tommy V has proved his mettle in the past |
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key ran
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I don't think Flecha will be cheering 'Tommy' on:
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"Looking at the replay of the crash, his first reaction was to go faster, he didn't even stop pedalling for half a pedal stroke. On the next day, everybody in the bunch came to see me to see how I was doing, but he didn't. It just shows how he is as a person," Flecha said bluntly.
"He only cares about himself. If you ask the other riders in the bunch, they would agree with me. He never gives anything to others."
Insisting that this was merely a personal observation, the Spaniard did not devalue Voeckler's chances for overall victory, even though the Frenchman himself rated them as poor.
"He's a good actor," Flecha said. "All of this talk that he doesn't see himself winning the Tour is just to put pressure on the others.
"It won't surprise me if he wins. After what he did on Plateau de Beille, he's capable of it. His team is looking good as well. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| key ran wrote: |
I don't think Flecha will be cheering 'Tommy' on:
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| "Looking at the replay of the crash, his first reaction was to go faster, he didn't even stop pedalling for half a pedal stroke. |
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Weird, looked to me like he spent 10-15m on the verge, coasting, and trying to keep his bike upright....... |
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Quite. Seemed to me that Voeckler did well to stay on two wheels.
If the cleat was on the other foot and Flecha was in contention for the Jersey....
Make up your own mind. |
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| SteveO wrote: |
Quite. Seemed to me that Voeckler did well to stay on two wheels.
If the cleat was on the other foot and Flecha was in contention for the Jersey....
Make up your own mind. |
he appeared to me post crash as if he was trying to ascertian what had axctually happened and that was it.
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| SteveO wrote: |
Quite. Seemed to me that Voeckler did well to stay on two wheels.
If the cleat was on the other foot and Flecha was in contention for the Jersey....
Make up your own mind. |
he appeared to me post crash as if he was trying to ascertian what had axctually happened and that was it. |
He looked over his shoulder, shook his head in a "FFS" fashion and plodded on. Not sure what else he could do really.
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Bob J
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| nedsoldman wrote: |
So, reading between the lines, the race is boring, none of the favourites are performing well, but Voekler is doing beter than expected therefore there must be some less than legit reason? Either he is charging, or the others aren't?
Christ, its no wonder all I ever hear from non cyclists is *CENSORED* accusations when there is this level of cynicism amongst the fans!! |
Cynicism, or realism? |
I read an article on Voekler in the Ouest France earlier this year, they asked TV if he had changed his training methods at all this year, he replied that he had upped his weekly hours on the bike from 25 to 30-35!! that might have something to do with his current 'form' 
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Stuart
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Scalatore wrote: |
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| SteveO wrote: |
Quite. Seemed to me that Voeckler did well to stay on two wheels.
If the cleat was on the other foot and Flecha was in contention for the Jersey....
Make up your own mind. |
he appeared to me post crash as if he was trying to ascertian what had axctually happened and that was it. |
He looked over his shoulder, shook his head in a "FFS" fashion and plodded on. Not sure what else he could do really. |
Apparently he should have turned round, helped everyone and then waited for Cancellara to stop the race.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Apparently he should have turned round, helped everyone and then waited for Cancellara to stop the race. |
 It was a big crash and a fairly reasonable assumption that any stopping and waiting around was going to see the whole break caught. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| nedsoldman wrote: |
So, reading between the lines, the race is boring, none of the favourites are performing well, but Voekler is doing beter than expected therefore there must be some less than legit reason? Either he is charging, or the others aren't?
Christ, its no wonder all I ever hear from non cyclists is *CENSORED* accusations when there is this level of cynicism amongst the fans!! |
Cynicism, or realism? |
I read an article on Voekler in the Ouest France earlier this year, they asked TV if he had changed his training methods at all this year, he replied that he had upped his weekly hours on the bike from 25 to 30-35!! that might have something to do with his current 'form' |
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DenHaag
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| Chrissylaa wrote: |
| Bob J wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| nedsoldman wrote: |
So, reading between the lines, the race is boring, none of the favourites are performing well, but Voekler is doing beter than expected therefore there must be some less than legit reason? Either he is charging, or the others aren't?
Christ, its no wonder all I ever hear from non cyclists is *CENSORED* accusations when there is this level of cynicism amongst the fans!! |
Cynicism, or realism? |
I read an article on Voekler in the Ouest France earlier this year, they asked TV if he had changed his training methods at all this year, he replied that he had upped his weekly hours on the bike from 25 to 30-35!! that might have something to do with his current 'form' |
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I would have thought that would be about right for the average pro. |
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Bob J
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| DenHaag wrote: |
| Chrissylaa wrote: |
| Bob J wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| nedsoldman wrote: |
So, reading between the lines, the race is boring, none of the favourites are performing well, but Voekler is doing beter than expected therefore there must be some less than legit reason? Either he is charging, or the others aren't?
Christ, its no wonder all I ever hear from non cyclists is *CENSORED* accusations when there is this level of cynicism amongst the fans!! |
Cynicism, or realism? |
I read an article on Voekler in the Ouest France earlier this year, they asked TV if he had changed his training methods at all this year, he replied that he had upped his weekly hours on the bike from 25 to 30-35!! that might have something to do with his current 'form' |
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I would have thought that would be about right for the average pro. |
It's only av of 5hrs a day after all
If most french pro's are to be believed, anywhere between 24-30 hrs seems to be the most popular quoted figures....I managed 18 hrs a few times this year, I mean I like riding the bike, but the thought of doing twice that amount is a bit hard to imagine....
But that's why they are what they are 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Bob J wrote: |
| DenHaag wrote: |
| Chrissylaa wrote: |
| Bob J wrote: |
| Billy Boy wrote: |
| nedsoldman wrote: |
So, reading between the lines, the race is boring, none of the favourites are performing well, but Voekler is doing beter than expected therefore there must be some less than legit reason? Either he is charging, or the others aren't?
Christ, its no wonder all I ever hear from non cyclists is *CENSORED* accusations when there is this level of cynicism amongst the fans!! |
Cynicism, or realism? |
I read an article on Voekler in the Ouest France earlier this year, they asked TV if he had changed his training methods at all this year, he replied that he had upped his weekly hours on the bike from 25 to 30-35!! that might have something to do with his current 'form' |
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I would have thought that would be about right for the average pro. |
It's only av of 5hrs a day after all
If most french pro's are to be believed, anywhere between 24-30 hrs seems to be the most popular quoted figures....I managed 18 hrs a few times this year, I mean I like riding the bike, but the thought of doing twice that amount is a bit hard to imagine....
But that's why they are what they are |
5 hours a day on a bike would be a piece of p!ss if i had f*ck al else to do.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| It rather depends what you put into that 5 hours though doesn't it! |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| hed wrote: |
5 hours a day on a bike would be a piece of p!ss if i had f*ck al else to do. |
...and was being paid to do it.
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