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taffyboiy Cat 2 Groupie

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: Cavendish's points total - spoiler probably. |
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Hi
according to letour.fr - Cav has lost 20 points today, he was on 320 after yesterday's stage, 300 today.
Are they just hopeless at adding them up and corrected themselves, or has he actually done something to lose them? |
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De Rosa World Champ
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Cavendish's points total - spoiler probably. |
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taffyboiy wrote: |
Hi
according to letour.fr - Cav has lost 20 points today, he was on 320 after yesterday's stage, 300 today.
Are they just hopeless at adding them up and corrected themselves, or has he actually done something to lose them? |
Cycling News says the same! Hope it is a mistake |
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Racklever Cat 2 Groupie

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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He was awarded -20 points for finishing outside the time limit |
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DenHaag E, Gold

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Racklever wrote: |
He was awarded -20 points for finishing outside the time limit |
Too many to chuck out so deducted points? |
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taffyboiy Cat 2 Groupie

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Well i did wonder if that's what had happened, but i thought finishing outside the time limit meant elimination from the tour.
Or does some bloke in a suit just make up a random punishment...
I'm glad Cavendish (and the 100 or so riders he finished with) aren't being thrown out, but surely points deduction is a pretty arbitrary way to 'punish' late finishers - the majority of the auto bus wouldn't even have 20 points to lose, or care if they did lose 20 points.... |
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De Rosa World Champ
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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It seems a fair way of doing it much as I hate it affecting Cav |
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DenHaag E, Gold

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 3078 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Intermediate sprint is just before the Alpe d'Huez climb tomorrow.  |
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Billy Boy T de F Winner

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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DenHaag wrote: |
Intermediate sprint is just before the Alpe d'Huez climb tomorrow.  |
Well it'd be a bit daft to have it half way up the mountain. _________________ "Well done, you are 100% absolutely without a shadow of a doubt spot-bollock-on correct." - Tucker
"Eating is not for wimps" - coal miner
"most of us don't have your brilliance." - John McC |
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DenHaag E, Gold

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 3078 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Billy Boy wrote: |
DenHaag wrote: |
Intermediate sprint is just before the Alpe d'Huez climb tomorrow.  |
Well it'd be a bit daft to have it half way up the mountain. |
I'd have to agree with that. I was thinking more of the 1st & Hors category climbs beforehand. |
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sloathe E, Gold
Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 2156 Location: At the pooter
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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taffyboiy wrote: |
Well i did wonder if that's what had happened, but i thought finishing outside the time limit meant elimination from the tour.
Or does some bloke in a suit just make up a random punishment...
I'm glad Cavendish (and the 100 or so riders he finished with) aren't being thrown out, but surely points deduction is a pretty arbitrary way to 'punish' late finishers - the majority of the auto bus wouldn't even have 20 points to lose, or care if they did lose 20 points.... |
If more than 20% of the field finish outside the limit, they remain in the race but lose 20 points. _________________ "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life."
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hed World Champ

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 12377 Location: on my hoods.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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sloathe wrote: |
taffyboiy wrote: |
Well i did wonder if that's what had happened, but i thought finishing outside the time limit meant elimination from the tour.
Or does some bloke in a suit just make up a random punishment...
I'm glad Cavendish (and the 100 or so riders he finished with) aren't being thrown out, but surely points deduction is a pretty arbitrary way to 'punish' late finishers - the majority of the auto bus wouldn't even have 20 points to lose, or care if they did lose 20 points.... |
If more than 20% of the field finish outside the limit, they remain in the race but lose 20 points. |
That doesn't really punish those that don't ride for points though does it? _________________ Team VeloRiders- like Rock Racing, only far more perverted. |
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DenHaag E, Gold

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 3078 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: |
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hed wrote: |
sloathe wrote: |
taffyboiy wrote: |
Well i did wonder if that's what had happened, but i thought finishing outside the time limit meant elimination from the tour.
Or does some bloke in a suit just make up a random punishment...
I'm glad Cavendish (and the 100 or so riders he finished with) aren't being thrown out, but surely points deduction is a pretty arbitrary way to 'punish' late finishers - the majority of the auto bus wouldn't even have 20 points to lose, or care if they did lose 20 points.... |
If more than 20% of the field finish outside the limit, they remain in the race but lose 20 points. |
That doesn't really punish those that don't ride for points though does it? |
-20 points for the sprinters, a public flogging for the domestiques? |
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Lillywhite E, Silver

Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 1574 Location: The Welland Valley
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Clearly Rojas could do the maths. |
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taffyboiy Cat 2 Groupie

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the update Sloathe.
I'd assume Rojas knew about that rule, and good on him for getting up the road and inside the limit. I'd also assume Cav was also given a finish time target via his earpiece (if not, massive cock-up by HTC)
If it happens again today Rojas gets the green jersey. |
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hed World Champ

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: |
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taffyboiy wrote: |
Thanks for the update Sloathe.
I'd assume Rojas knew about that rule, and good on him for getting up the road and inside the limit. I'd also assume Cav was also given a finish time target via his earpiece (if not, massive cock-up by HTC)
If it happens again today Rojas gets the green jersey. |
and boy won't he have earnt it, what with all his stage wins and his intermediates and all that  _________________ Team VeloRiders- like Rock Racing, only far more perverted. |
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DenHaag E, Gold

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 3078 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: |
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taffyboiy wrote: |
Thanks for the update Sloathe.
I'd assume Rojas knew about that rule, and good on him for getting up the road and inside the limit. I'd also assume Cav was also given a finish time target via his earpiece (if not, massive cock-up by HTC)
If it happens again today Rojas gets the green jersey. |
It won't happen today. It's almost half the distance. Rojas would have to get 3rd or better in the intermediate. Still, if Cavendish wins in Paris, it doesn't matter. |
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hed World Champ

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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DenHaag wrote: |
Rojas would have to get 3rd or better in the intermediate*. |
*which is between (i.e after) the galibier and alp d'huez. _________________ Team VeloRiders- like Rock Racing, only far more perverted. |
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DenHaag E, Gold

Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 3078 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: |
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hed wrote: |
DenHaag wrote: |
Rojas would have to get 3rd or better in the intermediate*. |
*which is between (i.e after) the galibier and alp d'huez. |
I don't know what's going to happen. Long long descent before the alpe. |
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