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Should David Millar have his ban reduced? |
Yes - Date of ban brought foward |
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28% |
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Yes - Reduced in time |
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10% |
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No - No change to original ban |
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61% |
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Flabio Chubbolinni E, Silver

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 582 Location: Getting the Miles in
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject: David Millar Appeal |
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Right, who thinks our Dave should have his ban reduced? _________________ " I can't climb, I can't sprint or time trial, Guess I'm just a good all-rounder"
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TBK Div 3 Pro

Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 3984 Location: fighting the demons in my head........
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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No,
I thought this post was going to be about the proportion of entrance money from Revolutions that goes to financing his appeal  _________________ A positive mental attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. |
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NS Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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It should be 2 years from his first disqualification |
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TBK Div 3 Pro

Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 3984 Location: fighting the demons in my head........
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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NS wrote: |
It should be 2 years from his first disqualification |
From the time he admitted taking EPO, not the event he admitted taking it in? _________________ A positive mental attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. |
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Coggy Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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No, he let his fans and himself down, and yet, and yet, the pressure to perform,...... ? |
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Ivan E, Silver

Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 1494 Location: Kypck
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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2 years from date of admission. |
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Tony Bell T de F Winner
Joined: 06 Aug 2003 Posts: 25203
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. On the grounds that 99 per cent of the guys he is competing with are not restricting their preparation to Effervescent Vitamin C and Brewers Yeast *CENSORED*.
Come on!! Get a grip!! His only crime was being too honest when the gendarmes turned up in that restaurant.
Look at it this way. If Millar was a working class lad - and therefore a bit more streetwise- he wouldn't have cracked as quickly as he did.
Compare and contrast how Virenque dealt with the Festina scandal, when he was caught bang to rights at the TDF in 1998.
So are we going to punish Millar for being a middle class bloke who didn't have the nouse to get down and dirty like the rest of the peleton? |
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beldon E, Bronze

Joined: 29 Dec 2002 Posts: 484
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Reduced in time so he can return to the rest of the cheats |
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Coggy Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I beg to differ Tony. What has this to do with class ? He cheated, and admitted he cheated. What I know of the *CENSORED*, and indeed the middle class, they would be first to take something !
He was under pressure to perform, he must have known what his colleagues in the peleton were doing, and yet he seems to have done excellent rides clean, then falls victim to the prevalance of 'something' that magical ingredient to make us all go faster. I would have done the same, if I thought I could get away with it. Lets be honest, who wouldn't, with the cahnce of fame and glory ? |
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AndyB E, Gold

Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 2895
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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no, 2 years from his date of admission. and if you believe the crap he wasnt on it when he got busted, have a rethink will ya !
If they arent on EPO they are on something else, probably 5% of the peloton are relatively clean and he wasnt / isnt one of them.
Its still no incentive, all he has to do for 2 years is whack himself up on steds, go out training and then he can come back as a clean little boy, bolox, the guy is a *CENSORED* cheat and should be banned from UCI/IOC events as should the rest of them. Then we might get somewhere into cleaning this sport up. If athletics/swimming can virtually irradicate *CENSORED* in this way. why the hell cant cycling ? |
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TomcaT E, Gold
Joined: 29 Sep 2003 Posts: 3045 Location: Fat Parrot found..... Chasing London Buses!
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I cannot imagine the pressure these riders are under to perform week in week out, but *CENSORED* taking is against the rules whoever you are and whether he admitted it or not should not mean he gets his ban shortened. _________________ TomcaT
http://www.sherwoodcc.org.uk |
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Des Moderator


Joined: 19 Apr 2002 Posts: 16900 Location: Harrow
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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AndyB wrote: |
If athletics/swimming can virtually irradicate *CENSORED* in this way. why the hell cant cycling ? |
You must read different apers from the rest of us Andy  _________________ www.kentonrc.co.uk |
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AndyB E, Gold

Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 2895
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Des wrote: |
AndyB wrote: |
If athletics/swimming can virtually irradicate *CENSORED* in this way. why the hell cant cycling ? |
You must read different apers from the rest of us Andy  |
athletics and swimming used to be as bad as cycling, and just like tennis they kept it quiet, its only the high profile names that are now being named and shamed |
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cyclingscott E, Bronze
Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 290 Location: Surrey
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:55 am Post subject: |
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AndyB wrote: |
If athletics/swimming can virtually irradicate *CENSORED* in this way. why the hell cant cycling ? |
You must be joking! You can't seriously believe all the crap about cycling being the only sport where *CENSORED* are a problem.
Coggy wrote: |
I would have done the same, if I thought I could get away with it. Lets be honest, who wouldn't, with the cahnce of fame and glory ? |
Sorry but I definately wouldn't.[/quote] _________________ "Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something."
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baz E, Silver

Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 1257 Location: trying to avoid the stackups at hillingdon
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:34 am Post subject: |
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2 years from the date of admission, would be fair in my view.
Come on guys he's not murdered anyone. Give the guy a break! _________________ training! what training ,just race yourself fit |
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keepontriking Cat 2 Groupie

Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 48
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Where's the option to increase the ban?
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AndyB E, Gold

Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 2895
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:46 am Post subject: |
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cyclingscott wrote: |
AndyB wrote: |
If athletics/swimming can virtually irradicate *CENSORED* in this way. why the hell cant cycling ? |
You must be joking! You can't seriously believe all the crap about cycling being the only sport where *CENSORED* are a problem.
Coggy wrote: |
I would have done the same, if I thought I could get away with it. Lets be honest, who wouldn't, with the cahnce of fame and glory ? |
Sorry but I definately wouldn't. |
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no as you can see (highlighted), i only mentioned two sports - as we all know the list is endless, in fact you can go to UK sports website and see which sport has the highest positive tests.
The only reason i mentioned those two sports, is because at one time they had a problem, albeit kept quiet, with only the higher profile atheletes being named.
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In fact there are no point to polls like these, we cant change the minds of people in cycling who:-
a) will do anything they can to help their hero
b) believe that what they did was justifed
c) want them back in the sport asap to help others by telling them its bad
all it does is get peoples backs up, and if you know the truth you cant say anything publically without running the risk of a legal battle. |
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Ventoux110700 E, Silver

Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 1358 Location: Cuines. Rostrum Camera Ken Morse.
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Thomo Div 1 Pro

Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Posts: 6964 Location: Milton Keynes (home) Hemel Hempstead (work)
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think he will serve his 2 year sentance, but I think he has a very strong case (that I support) for the ban to be back dated to the time he admitted it - June, and not the August date he was banned from. There is plenty of precidence already set to get that changed.
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Stormer Guest
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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The ban length aside, both Millar and his sis are certainly making some huge assumptions.
The main driver behind him looking to bring the date forward is to start the Tour...err yeah right. (A) He has no team (B) He will have had virtually no racing.
I find Millar's arrogance stunning! That any new team that may employ him, that may also be riding the Tour in 2006 could throw him in just to win the Prologue Pathetic twerp!!!
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Anyone coming back from a ban should be forced by regulation to restart as an amateur for a min period of 1 year, and to assist their National body with Youth education against doping. Not just jump back in to the comfort zone of the Peleton...call it putting something back into the sport *CENSORED*! |
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