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What style of frame? |
Compact |
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Traditional |
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Weight is more important |
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Looks are more important |
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monk Div 1 Pro

Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 6589
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: |
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First i would aim to find your ideal position then look around for a suitable off the peg frame to fit, Giant, koga, C'dale, yeti, kona, colnago or whatever, or if none are suitable however go for something built.
I'm personally a fan of steel frames so if going for something built I would go for summat steel.
Oversize tubing is the way fwd, in steel you can't get mega huge but some of the bigger size steel is still way rigid.
My view is that rigidity has to come first, you might be able to save a few watts here and there in aerodynamics but the power lost through frame flex is quite significant. It's through the reduced frame flex that frames like the corima track, BT and EIS carbon jobbies make a difference. Aerodynamics don't come into it much but the power delivery is only apparent when you've ridden them.
I do however feel a monstrously stiff 531, max, nivacron or deda 14 is however the best compromise as they are available in custom build, can be repaired in the event of smashing, are cost effective, and are fiarly readily available. You can get custom built alloy and carbon (corima make to measure) but you really pay for it, alloy is double the price of custom steel, carbon is sky limit; and neither are repairable if you get brought down.
I like solid colours rather than flashpaint jobs, there's nothing classier than a pure white, navy or black race bike IMO.
On frame shape I would actually go for a compact design, just as it looks that little bit extra special, esp if properly proportioned for the rider on board. |
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bonger Guest
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: |
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joxster wrote: |
Zontor the Destroyer wrote: |
mhgregor wrote: |
Zontor the Destroyer wrote: |
hunterbark wrote: |
Compact is the answer for me, I ride with my knees very close to the top tube (just like Bugno, only much slower). Got a compact for this racing season, I can now pedal properly and never touch the top tube with my knees, huge difference in comfort, will change my track steed next year to a compact, probably a Giant too. |
You can now pedal improperly you mean. |
Surely that's a personal thing to hunterbark? A lot of riders pedal with their knees very close together as they find it easier to get force onto the pedal on the downstroke...and I'm not talking turd cat numpties like moi either, but there are plenty of handy pro's that ride like that.
Can't think of any off hand mind...yes I can! Frank Schleck rides very much like that. Surely you're not going to tell me he doesn't pedal properly now!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/apr06/amstel06/index.php?id=s-scleck6694-059 |
Yep, cant be bothered to explain, but yep yep yep. |
But Zontor is a mudplugger, so his opinion doesn't count. They don't know how to pedal.  |
Not only that Zontor hasn't actually got a left knee anymore. It's made up of a selection of stale and fresh cortisone, Ostenil and scar tissue. |
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chrisd Div 3 Pro
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4004 Location: on the naughty step
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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mhgregor wrote: |
There's my answer on this matter.
revolving weight is much more important i.e., wheels, pedals & cranks, stiffer than carbon yet compliant...it has carbon rear end, carbon Deda seat post and Deda forks,
, I'll never spend big money on a frame again, the components you put on it are far more important.
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totally agree with this. i don't think i would ever spend massive money on a frame as the extra cash doesn't equate into extra proformance. _________________ Real men don't spin
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Crescenzo Cat 2 Groupie


Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 57 Location: Cheltenham
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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chrisd wrote: |
mhgregor wrote: |
There's my answer on this matter.
revolving weight is much more important i.e., wheels, pedals & cranks, stiffer than carbon yet compliant...it has carbon rear end, carbon Deda seat post and Deda forks,
, I'll never spend big money on a frame again, the components you put on it are far more important.
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totally agree with this. i don't think i would ever spend massive money on a frame as the extra cash doesn't equate into extra proformance. |
But surely it's about ride quality and longevity.
I've had a C40 for almost 9 years and after a few crashes is still solid as a rock. Rides like a dream and I never thought it could get better until I recently purchased a C50HM.
Though as everyone should know - not all carbon is the same:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/sponsors/italia/2005/colnago.php
PS. I don't like compact frames. Traditional all the way. _________________ Ciao Tutti |
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KJ T de F Winner
Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 26400
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Opinions please - frame geometry |
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tracksprinterbabe wrote: |
Traditional, or compact, or does it matter?
Is weight more important than the shape?
Is does big beefy tubing win you over narrow?
Flashy colours or subtle?
What would you buy? |
What are you going to use the bike for? |
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mhgregor E, Bronze

Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 343 Location: Lichfield, Staffordshire.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Crescenzo wrote: |
But surely it's about ride quality and longevity.
I've had a C40 for almost 9 years and after a few crashes is still solid as a rock. Rides like a dream and I never thought it could get better until I recently purchased a C50HM.
Though as everyone should know - not all carbon is the same:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/sponsors/italia/2005/colnago.php
PS. I don't like compact frames. Traditional all the way. |
Aren't they just taiwanese alloy frames with a carbon rear?  |
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Harmon E, Silver
Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 753
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Ride a recumbant..that should bypass all those fretting worries |
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Harmon E, Silver
Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 753
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Or a trike..says my esteemed colleague DD |
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marlboro man Div 2 Pro

Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 5873 Location: Derkaderkastan
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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If it is for a road frame, it has to be a Giant. I personally ride a Dolan Black Soul for the simple reason that I like the look of it and it has a beefy BB section. However I recently stripped a Colnago Dream for a friend and put the same components on to her new Giant. Without wishing to do you an injustice Julie, she is considerably more powerful than you and the frame does not flex as much as the Colnago. Combined with the reduced weight it makes for a far more responsive bike. There are plenty of bargains to be had from the Giant range so you need not worry too much about replacing one should you suffer irreparable accident damage. Of course if you want something a little more individual you may want to give Terry a shout  |
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Bally Div 2 Pro

Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 5664
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I have to admit I've changed my mind on what does/does not look good over the years.
When mtb's came out they looked much better in a compact design than a horizontal top tube, but I thought that it was a no no road bikes.
However as the years have passed and they've become much more common, I've got used to them and think they look OK. My last road frame is a compact. (I still don't think a compact looks that good on a TT bike though).
It's the same with fat tubes and nowadays 'normal' tubes just don't look stiff - especially on a large frame (John McC's Roberts for example).
And nowadays I've toned down my colour schemes as well.
I suppose it's the same with any fashion - clothes, cars, bikes etc - we all change our mind on what looks good over the years. _________________ Bally: Putting the @rse into Grass.
www.easterleycycling.org.uk/CycleStatsLite.exe for Gears, Revs, Speed, BBAR calc, Pursuit Scheduling etc.
"your power is truly awesome" - John McC
"real class" - George Gilbert" |
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joxster World Champ

Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 11229 Location: Barfly, buy me a drink and I'll tell you a story
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: |
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A bike is a bike, get one the is made to fit you and let your legs show everyone how fast it is.  _________________ When offered the choice between the path of Desire and the path of Virtue I chose the path marked Diversion.
Programming is like 5ex, one mistake and you have to support it for life. |
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Matt Clinton Div 1 Pro

Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 7868 Location: rarely logging in.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: |
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joxster wrote: |
A bike is a bike, get one the is made to fit you and let your legs show everyone how fast it is.  |
Having a tan makes you go faster so I hear. _________________ http://www.facebook.com/MikeVaughanCyc
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Iffacus Div 2 Pro

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 5094 Location: Trying to make Lee look thin
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Matt Clinton wrote: |
joxster wrote: |
A bike is a bike, get one the is made to fit you and let your legs show everyone how fast it is.  |
Having a tan makes you go faster so I hear. |
Lee's tan doesn't seem to help him  _________________ Murphy's Third Atmospheric Law of Bike Commuting is that the headwind you encounter on the way to work will shift 180 degrees in direction about 10 minutes before you decide to home. |
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digger Div 3 Pro
Joined: 06 Jul 2003 Posts: 3623 Location: Cannock
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Matt Clinton wrote: |
joxster wrote: |
A bike is a bike, get one the is made to fit you and let your legs show everyone how fast it is.  |
Having a tan makes you go faster so I hear. |
Anybody got any fake tan then ? |
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monk Div 1 Pro

Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 6589
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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hpw fast would i be with one? |
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Matt Clinton Div 1 Pro

Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 7868 Location: rarely logging in.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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monk wrote: |
hpw fast would i be with one? |
Well fast. _________________ http://www.facebook.com/MikeVaughanCyc
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monk Div 1 Pro

Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 6589
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Matt Clinton wrote: |
monk wrote: |
hpw fast would i be with one? |
Well fast. |
what about gethin butler? |
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KJ T de F Winner
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Tanned legs just look faster it's an illusion  |
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marlboro man Div 2 Pro

Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 5873 Location: Derkaderkastan
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Are you lot looking to help Julie with this or are you just wasting Bandwidth for the sake of it?  |
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Matt Clinton Div 1 Pro

Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 7868 Location: rarely logging in.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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marlboro man wrote: |
Are you lot looking to help Julie with this or are you just wasting Bandwidth for the sake of it?  |
We're having a discussion in the merits of suntans... it's not about the bike, its about the legs! _________________ http://www.facebook.com/MikeVaughanCyc
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