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smudge100
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: MALLORY NAT B? |
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Hello All,
I think that to increase the attendance of Thurdays race at Mallory can be greatly improved if it is changed to a national B.
What do you think? |
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Des
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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That would prevent 3rd cats from riding though!
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Tom Butcher
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Why not run a couple as NatBs and find out - as a 3rd cat I'm going to vote no though. |
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German
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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aren't they supposed to be training races? I think its great that it gives 4th and 3rd cats a chance to race and learn from elites, even if only 2 or 3 4th cats turn up. I certainly learned a lot from being able to race as a 4th cat last year.
Also should you really get 30 points for winning Mallory? I havn't heard anyone say that the reason they don't go to Mallory is because its only a Reg C! |
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Steve P
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: MALLORY NAT B? |
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| smudge100 wrote: |
Hello All,
I think that to increase the attendance of Thurdays race at Mallory can be greatly improved if it is changed to a national B.
What do you think? |
Heanor Clarions are a National B on the Wednesdays  |
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Megman
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| German wrote: |
| aren't they supposed to be training races? |
Can't really be called training if you get points from it. The points from there are as good as the points from any other race. |
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Billy Boy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Points are pointless.
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dockeca
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Points mad, some people. Can't they just accept that someone is bothering to run a race for them to ride, give it their best and accept that local midweek events over relatively short distances are for training, and to help newer riders acquire skills and experience before they start out in open road races? The obsession with points is just, er, pointless!
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smudge100
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Des wrote: |
| That would prevent 3rd cats from riding though! |
Am I not right in saying the 3rd cats race on a Tuesday? |
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Tom Butcher
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes Tuesdays is 3/4 and THursdays is all cats. Think they are both Regional C though. |
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snakeeater
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Des wrote: |
| That would prevent 3rd cats from riding though! |
You've told me in another thread that your promotion would allow me as a 3rd cat to ride in the national B event!  |
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Des
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| snakeeater wrote: |
| Des wrote: |
| That would prevent 3rd cats from riding though! |
You've told me in another thread that your promotion would allow me as a 3rd cat to ride in the national B event! |
I know - I got confused between Nat A and Nat B 
Besides which you should be higher then 3rd cat anyway 
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| dockeca wrote: |
| Points mad, some people. Can't they just accept that someone is bothering to run a race for them to ride, give it their best and accept that local midweek events over relatively short distances are for training, and to help newer riders acquire skills and experience before they start out in open road races? The obsession with points is just, er, pointless! |
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Will Scarlet
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see how national b points would encourage more to ride.
Some 3rd cats would still struggle to get into the top 15, so still wouldn't get points. 2nd cats would find they are gaining more points, but they are then in danger of getting upgraded to 1st cat, meaning they wouldn't be able to ride Regional A races, and would have to travel miles to race. It might actually discourage 2nd cats from racing on a Thursday.
1st cats and elites aren't bothered about points, so long as they get enough to keep their category. |
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elaina
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom Butcher wrote: |
| Yes Tuesdays is 3/4 and Thursdays is all cats. Think they are both Regional C though. |
Correct |
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smudge100
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Will Scarlet wrote: |
I don't see how national b points would encourage more to ride.
Some 3rd cats would still struggle to get into the top 15, so still wouldn't get points. 2nd cats would find they are gaining more points, but they are then in danger of getting upgraded to 1st cat, meaning they wouldn't be able to ride Regional A races, and would have to travel miles to race. It might actually discourage 2nd cats from racing on a Thursday.
1st cats and elites aren't bothered about points, so long as they get enough to keep their category. |
why dont they try it for just one week and see the difference? |
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ray stuart
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Elaina wrote: |
| Tom Butcher wrote: |
Yes Tuesdays is 3/4 and Thursdays is all cats. Think they are both Regional C though." |
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You're both wrong. Cat C events according to the BC website have no points at all awarded. To find out what category an event is go to the BC website, select Event Calender and the East Midlands and Road Racing. Under Mallory Park you will find that both Tues and Thurs are C+ events with points for the first 10.
And you have all missed the point of Mallory. The purpose of riding at Mallory is to crush the Pearl-Izumi Team into the ground. |
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elaina
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ray stuart wrote: |
| Elaina wrote: |
| Tom Butcher wrote: |
Yes Tuesdays is 3/4 and Thursdays is all cats. Think they are both Regional C though." |
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You're both wrong. Cat C events according to the BC website have no points at all awarded. To find out what category an event is go to the BC website, select Event Calender and the East Midlands and Road Racing. Under Mallory Park you will find that both Tues and Thurs are C+ events with points for the first 10.
And you have all missed the point of Mallory. The purpose of riding at Mallory is to crush the Pearl-Izumi Team into the ground. |
Sorry I read it as C+ |
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Will Scarlet
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ray stuart wrote: |
And you have all missed the point of Mallory. The purpose of riding at Mallory is to crush the Pearl-Izumi Team into the ground. |
Well, it's not working. They've had 5 wins already this season at Mallory  . |
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