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Plurien
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 Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: UCI World Championships, Track, TT and Road. Great results! |
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Well done to all the new World Champions at the UCI Junior World Championships held through this week and weekend. This will have been a brilliant introduction to many riders for international competition at the highest level for their age. These riders will be the ones going for gold at 2012 unless they can't dislodge the old guard from 2008.
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTU0NDU
Just the road races to go now.
XCO & BMX events held separately.
One thing I noticed, for a top cycling nation we don't seem to have any representation....Did I miss something?! |
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KJ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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What is your agenda Plurien?
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Lee
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| KJ wrote: |
| What is your agenda Plurien? |
You mean you can't see it KJ?? 
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring/ /bullshit rant.
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KJ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee wrote: |
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| What is your agenda Plurien? |
You mean you can't see it KJ??
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring//bullshit rant. |
I wanted to see it spelled out!
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martin smith
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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KJ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| who bothered to click 'don't know'? |
Confused posters?
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Lee
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| who bothered to click 'don't know'? |
Confused posters? |
I clicked it, admittedly in response to martins post rather than out of genuine feeling.
For the record I think it's a disgrace that no riders have gone to the worlds.
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mho
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee wrote: |
| KJ wrote: |
| martin smith wrote: |
| who bothered to click 'don't know'? |
Confused posters? |
I clicked it, admittedly in response to martins post rather than out of genuine feeling.
For the record I think it's a disgrace that no riders have gone to the worlds. |
No, probably a case of economics, focus on the Olympics and a case if it aint broke don't fix it. Our guys did the Europeans remember and that seems to be the BC way in the last few years.
It would be nice to have an explanation though. |
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Lee
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mho wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
| KJ wrote: |
| martin smith wrote: |
| who bothered to click 'don't know'? |
Confused posters? |
I clicked it, admittedly in response to martins post rather than out of genuine feeling.
For the record I think it's a disgrace that no riders have gone to the worlds. |
No, probably a case of economics, focus on the Olympics and a case if it aint broke don't fix it. Our guys did the Europeans remember and that seems to be the BC way in the last few years.
It would be nice to have an explanation though. |
Fair point. But i dont get economics as we are hardly skint these days and as for focussing on the olympics, just how many coaching staff do we have, surely a few could have been spared and a small squad sent??
Agree totally about the lack of an explanation though.
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Pillion
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mho
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ta...
No wonder most of us had forgotten - announced in January.  |
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I'm sure Lee means his comments with all good heart, but to say that there is plenty of money about and suggest some could be "spared", shows a failure to understand how funding works. It's effectively ring-fenced per part of the programme, so there is little or no "spare" money, everything spent has to be allocated and the funding bodies have to see reports which show where the money has been spent. If only it was easy to divert a few quid, it would, I'm sure have been done - but only to good effect, not simply for a "experience" trip.
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Pillion
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think the comments here show a lack of understanding of what the GB team are trying to do. It isn't about junior world titles -- its about Olympic medals and preparing athletes for that goal. To that end, they are sending the juniors and under 23's to the Europeans which is very similar in terms of giving them expereince of a major competition whilst not wasting money and the tim eof the coaches who are other wise engaged in the Olympics.
Anyone who has followed the team will know that for the junior sprinters, that Iain Dyer and Jan van Eijden have both actively helped and trainied these riders and they are very busy with the Olympic athletes so do the team send the riders and coaches who don't have that expereince -- a waste of a trip really where as the Europeans they can do it properly.
Hence, I can quite easily see the logic of not sending the juniors to the worlds even though I expect many of them would love to go for the world title.
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee wrote: |
| KJ wrote: |
| What is your agenda Plurien? |
You mean you can't see it KJ??
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring//bullshit rant. |
Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong?
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JohnC
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
This from the guy who stated here that the temporary replacement would do as the legacy for road and off road. You have made this claim before Hans, and it has been dealt with in detail.
Regarding the Junior Worlds, we should be there (like 80+ other countries); if the UK governing body feels that it does not want to allocate resources, maybe we should try to facilitate sponsorship and volunteers next time.
I note the reasons of concentrating on senior Olympic track medals, but I am sure that sponsorship and volunteer coaches could have been put together if there was the will. |
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david123
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
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| What is your agenda Plurien? |
You mean you can't see it KJ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring/:evil:/bullshit rant. |
Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and
plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
As usual, yes.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
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| What is your agenda Plurien? |
You mean you can't see it KJ??
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring//bullshit rant. |
Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and
plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
As usual ,yes. |
And thats another yes , the only thing that rings true with Hans is his extremely big nose or am i wrong ? F F S  |
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david123
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Stommos talking me, the other thing that Pans Peephole has got going for him is that he would have qualified for being in the Bee Gees original band.
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Hans Datdodishes
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| Hans Datdodishes wrote: |
Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
This from the guy who stated here that the temporary replacement would do as the legacy for road and off road. You have made this claim before Hans, and it has been dealt with in detail. |
correct, and you, Plurien and lapdog div-ed 123 were proved so wrong that it hurt. I stopped after a bit cos its like smacking a puppy, you can only have so much fun with little creatures.
Anyway, how did you get on when you stood for BC? Surely a better guide of cyclists opinion than my own
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