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| Stommos talking me, the other thing that Pans Peephole has got going for him is that he would have qualified for being in the Bee Gees original band. |
drove past Heathrow the other day, your Hillingdon dummy is still in orbit and interfering with the take-of fs Div-ed 
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| What is your agenda Plurien? |
You mean you can't see it KJ?? 
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring/ /bullshit rant. |
Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and
plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
As usual ,yes. |
And thats another yes , the only thing that rings true with Hans is his extremely big nose or am i wrong ? F F S  |
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Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
This from the guy who stated here that the temporary replacement would do as the legacy for road and off road. You have made this claim before Hans, and it has been dealt with in detail.
Regarding the Junior Worlds, we should be there (like 80+ other countries); if the UK governing body feels that it does not want to allocate resources, maybe we should try to facilitate sponsorship and volunteers next time.
I note the reasons of concentrating on senior Olympic track medals, but I am sure that sponsorship and volunteer coaches could have been put together if there was the will. |
I believe that the youngsters work with the best professional coaches in the UK. Volunteer coaches at such a high level of competition doesn't make sense nor does changing coaches for international competition. The youngsters are in a training programme that includes competition. That programme is set out and cordinated with the other top level programmes and competitions.
Like it or not cycling like every other sport has to be run like a business now. That is a large part of why BC is successful. It might not please everyone but it produces results.
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Regarding the Junior Worlds, we should be there (like 80+ other countries); if the UK governing body feels that it does not want to allocate resources, maybe we should try to facilitate sponsorship and volunteers next time.
I note the reasons of concentrating on senior Olympic track medals, but I am sure that sponsorship and volunteer coaches could have been put together if there was the will. |
When considering any given activity, BC will ask the following question - "Does this increase the chances of winning Olympic medals?". As such, they will have asked that question of the Junior Worlds and come up with the answer "no" (if the answer was yes, they'd have gone!). Specifically it will have been a very calculated decision and that not going was in the best interests of BC's long term goals (i.e. getting those Junior riders to win Olympic medals in 2012).
Given that they've concluded that it's not worth it to take riders because the best coaches are not available to them, what makes you think that they'd think it's a good idea to take them with a bunch of volunteers (however well meaning they may be)? |
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| Given that they've concluded that it's not worth it to take riders because the best coaches are not available to them, what makes you think that they'd think it's a good idea to take them with a bunch of volunteers (however well meaning they may be)? |
He doesn't, its just the usual anti BC sniping from the usual suspects
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Are we saying that resources in the UK do not exist to take Juniors to the world championships? If that is not the case, then we should be there, surely? It's embarrassing!
The quality coaching does not wash. There is quality coaching outside of BC paid staff in the UK.
If the chance of success angle is used, we would not send anyone to the Men's World RR Champs, where we have had 1 medal since the first world war! |
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Are we saying that resources in the UK do not exist to take Juniors to the world championships? If that is not the case, then we should be there, surely? It's embarrassing!
The quality coaching does not wash. There is quality coaching outside of BC paid staff in the UK.
If the chance of success angle is used, we would not send anyone to the Men's World RR Champs, where we have had 1 medal since the first world war! |
It won't be embaressing when the current BC juniors pitch up in a few years and win World and Olympic titles.
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Are we saying that resources in the UK do not exist to take Juniors to the world championships? If that is not the case, then we should be there, surely? It's embarrassing!
The quality coaching does not wash. There is quality coaching outside of BC paid staff in the UK.
If the chance of success angle is used, we would not send anyone to the Men's World RR Champs, where we have had 1 medal since the first world war! |
You have volunteers as good as Jan Van Eiden? With all due respect when youngsters reach the stage where they are working with coaches of this calibre to work with less experienced coaches would be a regressive step.
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Actualy yes there are other coaches of the level required and some offered to go.
However I think we are losing sight here of the big picture, yes I would like to see friends of mine go to the Junior Worlds and win titles/medals, however in the big scheme especialy for the sprinters the euros will be pretty much as competitive as the Worlds and give the riders another chance to bond with their coaches. This is just as importent from a long term developmental view.
The enduro riders tend to get more racing than the sprinters any way with the trips abroad road racing.
Its all about peparing riders for the challenges ahead and in this respect there is very little difference between worlds and euros(appart from the kids get extra funding at academy level if they are current world champions!) so I believe the right decision has been made and its just ego wanting us to appear at the worlds.
Can many here remember who has been the junior world champions recently without looking it up and how sucessful they have gone on to be at senior level?? |
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I see the Junior that beat Luke in the European's won the Worlds.  |
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| I see the Junior that beat Luke in the European's won the Worlds |
Yeah and in my team in france. We got the phone call on the drive back after our race today and all the manager did was moan about how is going to have to get some more new kit for him with the world champ bands on instead of the european stars!
No wonder im getting such a kicking over here
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Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
This from the guy who stated here that the temporary replacement would do as the legacy for road and off road. You have made this claim before Hans, and it has been dealt with in detail. |
correct, and you, Plurien and lapdog div-ed 123 were proved so wrong that it hurt. I stopped after a bit cos its like smacking a puppy, you can only have so much fun with little creatures.
Anyway, how did you get on when you stood for BC? Surely a better guide of cyclists opinion than my own |
When it comes to lap dog technolology you'll find I'm not qualified as Plurien will admit under torture, Kylie Mingue should do it, I'll give you a free demonstration. You display a rare stupidity in public as I think that you actually believe the crap you are spouting, It is always interesting to view your rambling output and then get the reality checker out, its called a brain, you should try one sometime. Seriously though, ha ha fuggin ha, the pare sprick award goes to Hans das du Witches
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Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
This from the guy who stated here that the temporary replacement would do as the legacy for road and off road. You have made this claim before Hans, and it has been dealt with in detail. |
correct, and you, Plurien and lapdog div-ed 123 were proved so wrong that it hurt. I stopped after a bit cos its like smacking a puppy, you can only have so much fun with little creatures.
Anyway, how did you get on when you stood for BC? Surely a better guide of cyclists opinion than my own |
When it comes to lap dog technolology you'll find I'm not qualified as Plurien will admit under torture, Kylie Mingue should do it, I'll give you a free demonstration. You display a rare stupidity in public as I think that you actually believe the crap you are spouting, It is always interesting to view your rambling output and then get the reality checker out, its called a brain, you should try one sometime. Seriously though, ha ha fuggin ha, the pare sprick award goes to Hans das du Witches |
ssh, get back in your basket amy, I think JohnC has got a bone for you
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You mean you can't see it KJ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring/:evil:/bullshit rant. |
Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
Just to remind the horrified readers that this is the drivelly, boring repetitive, untrue, unadulterated crepe. It being prefaced with "my opinion" makes for a bigger idiot than ones would normally expect from you, the Dim Pooper story kept the lid on the smell for days so I think will make good use of the squally shizit for Brians theory as unlike you my fiend I think I've had my Eureka breakthrough on the subject of the brown stuff and its all over your faece
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I think the comments here show a lack of understanding of what the GB team are trying to do. It isn't about junior world titles -- its about Olympic medals and preparing athletes for that goal. To that end, they are sending the juniors and under 23's to the Europeans which is very similar in terms of giving them expereince of a major competition whilst not wasting money and the tim eof the coaches who are other wise engaged in the Olympics.
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It's a waste of money only in the context of how that money is allocated. The level of funding a sport's governing body receives is, in large part, determined by their success at the Olympics (I say in large part because if it was totally dependent on that the joggers wouldn't get a brass farthing...). The whole BC programme is built on Olympic success to deliver funding which is probably the best model there is - but it's far from perfect.
The problem is that the Olympics is just a big circus with a tiny selection of cycling disciplines and if we focus on the Olympics at the expense of things that really matter to cyclists - rather than to politicians and Daily Mail readers - like the Worlds, we end up in situations like this.
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| What is your agenda Plurien? |
You mean you can't see it KJ??
It's sad that just from the title and the name of the poster it was more than obvious that this thread would be yet another predictable anti BC boring//bullshit rant. |
Quite right. EUG in my opinion were found wanting on negotiating the Eastway replacement facility (luckily BC pulled this out of the hat), and now seem to be on some sort of face saving exercise.
Particularly galling is the fact that most of the Eastway promotions were under some mickey mouse organisation and not under BC rules, then as soon as the Olympics reared its head, everyone seemed to jump ship and plead with BC to rescue them, then seem keen to snipe at every given opportunity. Or am I wrong? |
Just to remind the horrified readers that this is the drivelly, boring repetitive, untrue, unadulterated crepe. It being prefaced with "my opinion" makes for a bigger idiot than ones would normally expect from you, the Dim Pooper story kept the lid on the smell for days so I think will make good use of the squally for Brians theory as unlike you my fiend I think I've had my Eureka breakthrough on the subject of the brown stuff and its all over your faece |
Its also the opinion of many that by rejecting the need for continuity of circuits, EUG rather shot London cyclists in the foot - bless them. Still, thanks to the behind the scenes efforts of BC, Hog Hill will soon be up and running. Ignore the glory hunters and their lap-Amys, we know the truth
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| Still, thanks to the behind the scenes efforts of BC, Hog Hill will soon be up and running. |
Do you have any source for this information other than a source at BC? If so, would you care to say what it is?
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| Still, thanks to the behind the scenes efforts of BC, Hog Hill will soon be up and running. |
Do you have any source for this information other than a source at BC? If so, would you care to say what it is? |
Yes I do, and not to you Roy, no. As you will have seen from the sniping on the board, the TLI roots are beginning to show big time in some of the comments 
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| Still, thanks to the behind the scenes efforts of BC, Hog Hill will soon be up and running. |
Do you have any source for this information other than a source at BC? If so, would you care to say what it is? |
Yes I do, and not to you Roy, no. |
Fair enough. You'll have to forgive me for not taking your word as impartial.
I was involved early on with EUG and can say that at that time BC's performance left much to be desired. IIRC BC were happy to accept Rammey Marsh, a vastly inferior venue to HH, and that it was EUG that brought HH into the frame.
Since that time I've had no involvement, so the building of HH I know knothing about.
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