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smudge100
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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: POP QUIZ |
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The hypothetical scenario is this...
You are riding a end of season crit. Team boss wants one of the riders in your team to keep his second cat license so wants a bunch sprint. You dutifully listen and chase but eventually you find yourself in a break with the guys who are easily strong enough to win and this break aint coming back....
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Tony Bell
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Join a team which doesn't have second cat riders.
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officer bob
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sorry,can't vote untill you add the box
0 sit on, then get dropped
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Matteo
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: POP QUIZ |
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| smudge100 wrote: |
The hypothetical scenario is this...
You are riding a end of season crit. Team boss wants one of the riders in your team to keep his second cat license so wants a bunch sprint. You dutifully listen and chase but eventually you find yourself in a break with the guys who are easily strong enough to win and this break aint coming back.... |
ROFL
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racyrich2
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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For F S, team orders for a bunch of chippers! No wonder domestic races are so shite.
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smudge100
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| For F S, team orders for a bunch of chippers! No wonder domestic races are so shite. |
Mate team orders happen in every sport... What is a chipper? Can you explain? I keep hearing that comment... Is it someone who has spent less than a grand on a bike? or is it a fourth cat?
I must bea chipper then?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| For F S, team orders for a bunch of chippers! No wonder domestic races are so shite. |
Mate team orders happen in every sport... What is a chipper? Can you explain? I keep hearing that comment... Is it someone who has spent less than a grand on a bike? or is it a fourth cat?
I must bea chipper then? |
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Promise me you will BUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| [What is a chipper? Can you explain? |
Assuming you're not talking with your tongue in your cheek  It's a relative term:
Euro Pros talking about domestic Elites - you are a bunch of chippers
Elites talking about 1st cats - you are a bunch of chippers
1st cats talking about 2nd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
2nd cats talking about 3rd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
3rd cats talking about 4th cats - you are a bunch of chippers
4th cats talking about sportif riders - you are a bunch of chippers
Josh17 talking about anyone else on VR - you are a bunch of chippers
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| smudge100 wrote: |
| [What is a chipper? Can you explain? |
Assuming you're not talking with your tongue in your cheek It's a relative term:
Euro Pros talking about domestic Elites - you are a bunch of chippers
Elites talking about 1st cats - you are a bunch of chippers
1st cats talking about 2nd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
2nd cats talking about 3rd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
3rd cats talking about 4th cats - you are a bunch of chippers
4th cats talking about sportif riders - you are a bunch of chippers
Josh17 talking about anyone else on VR - you are a bunch of chippers |
rofl  well done
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smudge100
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| billyam998 wrote: |
| Odge wrote: |
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| [What is a chipper? Can you explain? |
Assuming you're not talking with your tongue in your cheek It's a relative term:
Euro Pros talking about domestic Elites - you are a bunch of chippers
Elites talking about 1st cats - you are a bunch of chippers
1st cats talking about 2nd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
2nd cats talking about 3rd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
3rd cats talking about 4th cats - you are a bunch of chippers
4th cats talking about sportif riders - you are a bunch of chippers
Josh17 talking about anyone else on VR - you are a bunch of chippers |
rofl well done |
Oh I see Snobbery
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wuverley
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Its not necessarily snobbery, just slang.
I couldn't win a chipper, cos I'm crap(untrained). You might win a race, cos you're a great athlete( or you've been training, racing for years) But if its a race no one cares about its a Chipper. |
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racyrich2
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| racyrich2 wrote: |
| For F S, team orders for a bunch of chippers! No wonder domestic races are so shite. |
Mate team orders happen in every sport... What is a chipper? Can you explain? I keep hearing that comment... Is it someone who has spent less than a grand on a bike? or is it a fourth cat?
I must bea chipper then? |
OK, chipper is a relative term.
But teams orders happen in every sport? Well, most sports are individual so thats wrong straight away. But more to the point, team managers for anything below elite level is risible.
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Rob of the Og
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| racyrich2 wrote: |
| For F S, team orders for a bunch of chippers! No wonder domestic races are so shite. |
Mate team orders happen in every sport... What is a chipper? Can you explain? I keep hearing that comment... Is it someone who has spent less than a grand on a bike? or is it a fourth cat?
I must bea chipper then? |
OK, chipper is a relative term.
But teams orders happen in every sport? Well, most sports are individual so thats wrong straight away. But more to the point, team managers for anything below elite level is risible. |
Team orders up to a point. I mean, you don't chase down your teammates do you? Or you might do some extra pulls on the front of the bunch if you have a good sprinter on your team. Last weekend I had a teammate who needed some points to get his second cat, getting near the end of the season so it's now or never, if he'd held onto the bunch over the climbs then of course I'd have worked for him at the end to make sure he got the points.
But yeah LOL never heard of a team manager at club level.
If you change the question to be, "your friend needs the points, do you give up your chances in the break for him?" then you get a real question. |
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Paul H.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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if you were really concerned about getting your team mate the required points, the only way you would be in that break is with him on your wheel  |
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Pantani
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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If he isn't good enough he is isn't good enough. Simple as. Yeah if he can get himself in a position to win points help him. If he can't he doesn't deserve the points.
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Bally
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Chipper - Fish and Chipper, i.e. small local race with enough prize money to buy your dinner that night.
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JimmyRay
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| Chipper - Fish and Chipper, i.e. small local race with enough prize money to buy your dinner that night. |
Thank the lord, someone who understands the term for what it is.
As for the question in hand...
For team manager, read the person who holds the purse string for the sponsorship of the team...well certainly negotiated the contracts for the sponsorship.
For team, read club that although faulted for many reasons (negative team tactics is a speciality) do actually try and ride as a team unit.
The rider in question... never going to get points in the race on Saturday. I can't think of a situation Smudge's lot that would have allowed the chap in queston to score decent points at this event. Not being nasty, its just the strengths required to achieve on the terrain and against the competition are not there.
A break without a certain percentage of the usual suspects was not going to work, and no one wants that break with the usual suspects to work, so the only reason it does work is because the pressure is sufficient to allow the stranglehold of the riders (and teams) in question to force it off the front.... The chap in question won't make this break without a head start, and trying to protect him for the sprint was the wron thing to do.
Maybe yu should have tried sending him up the road in an early move and hope that the selection came over to him.
And once in the break, I think we both know that if you had sat on, life would have become very unpleasant for all concerned, and you wouldn't have got away with it. and the move still wouldn't be caught...if you'd gone back to the bunch you would not have chased us down as yuo'd not get any help in the chase and the numbers don' add up for your team to have made the catch.
So there.
So in summary... find a 2/3/4 crit and get your man to get his points there. Why does he struggle to keep his second? He is handy enough. |
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smudge100
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Accuracy, clarity, brevity and logic |
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Accuracy, clarity, brevity and logic
All the above from Jimmy ray so Thanks
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Josh17
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Assuming you're not talking with your tongue in your cheek Wink It's a relative term:
Euro Pros talking about domestic Elites - you are a bunch of chippers
Elites talking about 1st cats - you are a bunch of chippers
1st cats talking about 2nd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
2nd cats talking about 3rd cats - you are a bunch of chippers
3rd cats talking about 4th cats - you are a bunch of chippers
4th cats talking about sportif riders - you are a bunch of chippers
Josh17 talking about anyone else on VR - you are a bunch of chippers |
You got a problem baldy? Don't think i have ever refered to an actual rider on VR as 'a chipper'. |
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