Winter Series races

[dockeca]

Just a thought, there are going to be at least two series in the London area, strting at the end of the "proper" road season. No doubt very useful for keeping fit through the winter, but should points be available? It may be possible for people to get enough pints to get into a category where either the racing is too difficult when the real season comes around, or even to get to a point where they are in a category where there are fewer races, and then start moaning about having to travel more!
Thoughts??
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[Billy Boy]

It's easy to race and not get points, so where's the problem?
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[Voodoo]

the Band 5 events are pretty low earners on the points.

Not sure I agree with the band 3 Nat B races throughout the winter though.

That is a bit silly i think.

A little too easy to get points if only 10 people turn up like in the Avonup series etc.. (I know a few weeks of that if you turned up you would get points)
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[MrPumpy]

Points or no points its still a great means of keeping fit. I dont want to ride cross so would just like to race once a month at least. If people moan about going up categories then they shouldnt bother racing - surely its about getting better and progressing (even if it means taking a kicking at the next level). I would have thought the majority of races would be run as a C+ or even C event so no or few points would be available. Just a bit gutted and surprised there are no winter series events in the NW as there are loads of races available during the main season.
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[speedyg]

you need some points on offer though, or else many wouldn't even bother turning up for £20 win purse alone

[Cryoplasm]

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[qcscmh]

Its good for riders if they want to race.

There will always be riders who ride more races than others, whether its in the winter or loads of evening crits or track even.
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[Magic Rabbit]

Riding more races means you're likely to get more points; this doesn't make you a better rider than someone who has ridden 5 races and won them all.

The French have a good system based on your best 15 results during the season, which would probably give you a better idea of how good you are.

So do what you like with the points in a winter season, cos the system is nonsense

[Steve D-T]

A race is a race and a win is a win whatever time of year its ridden.
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[dockeca]

If it could be achieved (and why not with use of technology?) then Magic's idea as per the French system has a lot of merit. Maybe it could be the best 10 results, to make it even more cirrent. Personally I'm not sure that any result between 30 November and 1 February should be counted. To say that if there are no points no-one would ride is not valid, I think that the people who want to use winter circuit racing just for fitness will still turn up. The comment about prize money is spurious. As so many never win anything (or indeed get points), then how can you account for them still riding?
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[racyrich2]

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I wouldn't bother travelling to do a training ride. Who would? Equally, having 3 winter series in the SE competing for a limited pool of riders, so having to outdo each other with more and more points to get people to show up does seem a bit daft.

RE points for top 10 results from the year. How do you go up a category mid season? Just wondering. Surely it means that if you start the year as a 4th cat, you end it as a 4th cat, and it's not until the federation look at your year's results that you get moved up?

[Magic Rabbit]

[Starley]

[dockeca]

Good idea Starley. New Regulation.
"Any road race run between 30 November and 1 February shall automaticcly be classified at the lowest points band available, regardless of distance".
Or better still
"Ranking points shall not be awarded for any road race run between 30 November and 1 February."

The situation in SE looks odd, it remains to be seen whether the total of riders increases, or competition simply reduces fields. If anyone proposes to award national B points, you have to question their motives.
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[Des]

[John McC]

Better still "No racing shall take place between November and February as it is verging on luncay".
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[Davey C]

People who want to race are ususally happy of the points, and should man up and take them if are good enough. We have the opposite problem down here, too many '1st cats' staying 2nd cats.
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