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Billy Boy T de F Winner
Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 30726 Location: Not Aylesbury
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:05 am Post subject: |
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lancewrite wrote: |
Odge wrote: |
So Armstrong kept extracted blood in his own fridge in his closet in his flat in Girona? Doesn't that seem dodgy considering how he's oft quoted as being the "most tested athlete on the planet"? Surely he's been visited by anti-d0ping officials at his Girona residence?
USPS/Discovery/Astana/Radioshack always seem(ed) to be untouchable and clever about hiding any alleged d0ping programme so it seems odd that he should keep daming evidence at his own house when his contemporaries were going to the infamous Spanish f4nny doctor to have their blood extracted and stored |
Dope testers can't search your house and the Spanish police have never shown an interest.
It'll be interesting to see what Andy Rihs (BMC) and JV (Garmin) say about some of the allegations. |
To be honest the whole thing stopped being interesting long ago. _________________ "Well done, you are 100% absolutely without a shadow of a doubt spot-bollock-on correct." - Tucker
"Eating is not for wimps" - coal miner
"most of us don't have your brilliance." - John McC |
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Davey C Div 2 Pro
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be suprised if these allegations were true. However it's never going to be proved and it wouldn't take much to discredit the author 4FS. _________________ Have you got any Triple Sod? Yellow Bentines? What about some Clarky Cat? |
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Odge E, Gold
Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 3143 Location: pounding the pavement
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: |
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SCA promotions were the company involved in trying to wriggle out a $5m bonus payment. It's where Michael Ashenden and the Andreus were involved. _________________ "Veloriders - Sounds like a bunch of soccer holigans still watching reruns of Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter" |
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SteveO Div 1 Pro
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 6161
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Odge wrote: |
So Armstrong kept extracted blood in his own fridge in his closet in his flat in Girona? Doesn't that seem dodgy considering how he's oft quoted as being the "most tested athlete on the planet"? |
His blood was so thick they probably thought it was passata in the fridge. |
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Davey C Div 2 Pro
Joined: 01 Jun 2008 Posts: 5745
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Billy Boy wrote: |
lancewrite wrote: |
Odge wrote: |
So Armstrong kept extracted blood in his own fridge in his closet in his flat in Girona? Doesn't that seem dodgy considering how he's oft quoted as being the "most tested athlete on the planet"? Surely he's been visited by anti-d0ping officials at his Girona residence?
USPS/Discovery/Astana/Radioshack always seem(ed) to be untouchable and clever about hiding any alleged d0ping programme so it seems odd that he should keep daming evidence at his own house when his contemporaries were going to the infamous Spanish f4nny doctor to have their blood extracted and stored |
Dope testers can't search your house and the Spanish police have never shown an interest.
It'll be interesting to see what Andy Rihs (BMC) and JV (Garmin) say about some of the allegations. |
To be honest the whole thing stopped being interesting long ago. |
+1 _________________ Have you got any Triple Sod? Yellow Bentines? What about some Clarky Cat? |
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Dogma Dave Div 1 Pro
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 6714 Location: God's Own County
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: |
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special guest star wrote: |
I can see why Armstrong might be concerned......I've stayed in Spain a few times - and the electricity can be unpredictable |
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one man army Div 2 Pro
Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 5898 Location: Brighton & Hove
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Odge wrote: |
So Armstrong kept extracted blood in his own fridge in his closet in his flat in Girona? Doesn't that seem dodgy considering how he's oft quoted as being the "most tested athlete on the planet"? Surely he's been visited by anti-d0ping officials at his Girona residence?
USPS/Discovery/Astana/Radioshack always seem(ed) to be untouchable and clever about hiding any alleged d0ping programme so it seems odd that he should keep daming evidence at his own house when his contemporaries were going to the infamous Spanish f4nny doctor to have their blood extracted and stored |
My mate used to stash his p0rn in his girlfriends wardrobe - the last place she'd look for it _________________ Rap's Rambo! One Man Army had it with your mumbo jumbo
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topskull E, Silver
Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: North West
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: I care |
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I agree with all comments, but I do care.
It annoys me how L.A. attaches himself to cancer survivors, charities, makes money from guest appearances and all along weve been duped. As I get older, I have seen the suffering people go through with Cancer.... Its about Morals |
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Zarate E, Silver
Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 1925 Location: Your guess is as good as mine, I dunno.
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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How do you know when he's being economical with the truth? The lips move...allegedly.
Where is evidence? None.
But mud sticks and FL knows it. _________________ Mexican underwater chili eating champion 1957
Now much nearer to Mexico than the old country. |
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Rob of the Og E, Gold
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2256
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:50 am Post subject: Re: I care |
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topskull wrote: |
I agree with all comments, but I do care.
It annoys me how L.A. attaches himself to cancer survivors, charities, makes money from guest appearances and all along weve been duped. As I get older, I have seen the suffering people go through with Cancer.... Its about Morals |
fwiw I agree completely with this. I think Lance is utterly despicable and have thought so for a long time. But as long as the evidence of his doping remains at the level of internet conspiracies and serial-lying ex-teammates, and as long as he continues to make a lot of money for other people in cycling, then he's not going down anytime soon. |
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Davey C Div 2 Pro
Joined: 01 Jun 2008 Posts: 5745
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: Re: I care |
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topskull wrote: |
I agree with all comments, but I do care.
It annoys me how L.A. attaches himself to cancer survivors, charities, makes money from guest appearances and all along weve been duped. As I get older, I have seen the suffering people go through with Cancer.... Its about Morals |
You would rather he hadn't launched a massive cancer charity? _________________ Have you got any Triple Sod? Yellow Bentines? What about some Clarky Cat? |
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Dogma Dave Div 1 Pro
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 6714 Location: God's Own County
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: Re: I care |
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topskull wrote: |
I agree with all comments, but I do care.
It annoys me how L.A. attaches himself to cancer survivors, charities, makes money from guest appearances and all along weve been duped. As I get older, I have seen the suffering people go through with Cancer.... Its about Morals |
Duped? You mean, you really believed he was squeaky clean? |
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Rob of the Og E, Gold
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2256
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: Re: I care |
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Davey C wrote: |
topskull wrote: |
I agree with all comments, but I do care.
It annoys me how L.A. attaches himself to cancer survivors, charities, makes money from guest appearances and all along weve been duped. As I get older, I have seen the suffering people go through with Cancer.... Its about Morals |
You would rather he hadn't launched a massive cancer charity? |
I'd rather he hadn't launched a profit-making venture that shares a name with his cancer charity so that he could make money off the back of that charity. |
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benlane Div 3 Pro
Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 3960
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Here's some of the leak. Interesting the bit about the Tour De Suisse, a failed EPO test and paying off the UCI!!
2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel
during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a
helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San
Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg
patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not
witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on
our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution
of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the
inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in
the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari,
who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he
did not believe Mr Farrari and contin
ued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
2003: After a broken hip in the winter, I flew to Gerona Spain where this
time two units (half a liter each) were extracted three weeks apart. This
took place in the apartment in which Mr. Armstrong lived and in which I was
asked to stay and check the blood temperature every day. It was kept in a
small refrigerator in the closet allong with the blood of Mr Armstrong and
George Hincapie and since Mr. Armstrong was planning on being gone for a few
weeks to train he asked me to stay in his place and make sure the
electricity didn't turn off or something go wrong with the referigerator.
Then during the Tour de France the entire team, on two different occasions
went to the room that we were told and the doctor met us there to do the
transfusions. During that Tour de France I personally witnessed George
Hincapie, Lance Armstrong, Chechu Rubiera, and myself receiving blood
transfusions. Also during that Tour de France the team doctor would give my
room mate, George Hincapie an
d I a small syringe of olive oil in which was disolved andriol, a form of
ingestible testosterone on two out of three nights throughout the duration.
I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto
Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO
to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be
performed. I was instructed to go to Lances place by Johan Bruyneel and get
some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed to me in the
entry way to his building in full view of his then wife. It was Eprex by
brand and it came in six pre measured syringes. I used it intravenously for
several weeks before the next blood draw and had no problems with the tests
during the Vuelta. Also during this time it was explained to me how to use
Human Growth Hormone by Johan Bruyneel and I bought what I needed from Pepe
the team "trainer" who lived in Valencia along with the team doctor at that
time. While training for that Vuelta I spent a good deal of time training
with Matthew White and Michael Barry and shared the testosterone and EPO
that we had and discu
ssed the use thereof while training.
Again, during the Vuelta we were given Andriol and blood transfusions by the
team doctor and had no problems with any testing.
2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but
this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying
to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was
brought by "Duffy" who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.
2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion
technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant
to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare
the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper
temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my
hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before
the start so as to not start with a deficit.
2006: Well you get the idea....... One thing of great signigicance is that
I sat down with Andy Riis and explained to him what was done in the past and
what was the risk I would be taking and ask for his permission which he
granted in the form of funds to complete the operation described. John
Lelangue was also informed by me and Andy Riis consulted with Jim Ochowitz
before agreeing.
There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the
process of writing into an intelligible story but since the position of USA
Cycling is that there have not been enough details shared to justify calling
USADA, I am writing as many as I can reasonably put into an email and share
with you so as to ascertain what is the process which USA Cycling uses to
proceed with such allegations.
Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.
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kingkongsfinger E, Silver
Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 1160 Location: Fred Dibnashire
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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one man army wrote: |
Odge wrote: |
So Armstrong kept extracted blood in his own fridge in his closet in his flat in Girona? Doesn't that seem dodgy considering how he's oft quoted as being the "most tested athlete on the planet"? Surely he's been visited by anti-d0ping officials at his Girona residence?
USPS/Discovery/Astana/Radioshack always seem(ed) to be untouchable and clever about hiding any alleged d0ping programme so it seems odd that he should keep daming evidence at his own house when his contemporaries were going to the infamous Spanish f4nny doctor to have their blood extracted and stored |
My mate used to stash his p0rn in his girlfriends wardrobe - the last place she'd look for it |
My mate.......that old nutshell _________________ "I could have done this job myself in five minutes, but as things turned out I had to spend two days trying to find out why it had taken someone else three weeks to do it wrong." |
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Scalatore E, Gold
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 2484
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: |
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racyrich2 wrote: |
Mr Armstrong, Mr Landis, etc. Isn't it quaint. Good old-fashioned American manners. |
The New York Times does it too.
Personally the present culture over familiarity gets on my wick. Even the police do it when talking about a recent brutally deceased. "Dave was, " etc. Show some respect please.
(I've mentioned this before and MR Tommo called me a twat for me troubles. Fair enough.)
"MR Tommo." Quite right. Flagellating myself as we speak. _________________ Under the blossom that hangs on the bough.
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Des Moderator
Joined: 19 Apr 2002 Posts: 16900 Location: Harrow
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Scalatore wrote: |
racyrich2 wrote: |
Mr Armstrong, Mr Landis, etc. Isn't it quaint. Good old-fashioned American manners. |
The New York Times does it too.
Personally the present culture over familiarity gets on my wick. Even the police do it when talking about a recent brutally deceased. "Dave was, " etc. Show some respect please.
(I've mentioned this before and Tommo called me a twat for me troubles. Fair enough.) |
Mr Tommo. _________________ www.kentonrc.co.uk |
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Des Moderator
Joined: 19 Apr 2002 Posts: 16900 Location: Harrow
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Back to the point of the thread - it seems that the only person he hasn't named, upset in US cycling is Major Taylor. Still give it time. _________________ www.kentonrc.co.uk |
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London Bus Chaser Div 1 Pro
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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I hope he's got evidence to back all this up because if he hasn't he'll need deep pockets for legal fees. _________________ "Never wrestle with a chimney sweep." |
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Des Moderator
Joined: 19 Apr 2002 Posts: 16900 Location: Harrow
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: |
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London Bus Chaser wrote: |
I hope he's got evidence to back all this up because if he hasn't he'll need deep pockets for legal fees. |
I think he is potless, hence why he's saying it - they can't sue you for what you don't have. _________________ www.kentonrc.co.uk |
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